Unsolved question list

The idea here is to put all subject that are in need of CB weighting in because rules are “grey” providing CB with a description of the problem and the possible options defend by the community. This way CB just has to choose between options to put it in the FAQ (and the subject does not go down the topic list to come back a few month latter)

The idea here is not to answer this question (they have been debated enough as it is) so please do not rediscuss each rules topic here. I will link the original topic if you want to continue the debate.

I put here the ones I remembered. If you find one I missed, please post it here and I will edit the original post. If possible, follow the same “template” as the one I use : link to the original topic, description of the problem then possible options (as impartially as I could).

Also, please tell me if you think I should correct one of the description

(click on spoiler to see problem description, original topic link and a summary of the main possible answers)

Smoke ARO against impact template weapon

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/using-smoke-to-protect-against-blast-damage.26006/

Situation 1 : an hardcase is active and shoot an antipode K9 with a shotgun. The Devil Dog is hit by the shotgun template. Devil Dog wants to use his smoke grenade to protect himself from the template. There is no LoF between harcase and Devil Dog, only between hardcase and Antipode.

Answer :
1 : Devil Dog can use his smoke grenade to “special dodge” and save his ass if he block the LoF between Hardcase and Antipode

2 : Devil Dog cannot use his smoke grenade to “special dodge” and save his ass because there is no LoF between Hardcase and Devil Dog in need of blocking

Situation 2 : an hardcase is active and shoot an antipode K9 with a shotgun. The Devil Dog is hit by the shotgun template. Devil Dog wants to use his smoke grenade to protect himself from the template. There is LoF between harcase and Devil Dog.
Answer :
1 : Devil Dog can use his smoke grenade to “special dodge” and save his ass if he block the LoF between him and the Hardcase

2 : Devil Dog cannot use his smoke grenade to “special dodge” and save his ass because the LoF relevant to know if he is hit by the template is the one between him and the blast focus (which cannot be blocked by a smoke)

Spearhead Antipode in CC

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/antipodes-suprise-attack.26741/

Situation : an antipode pack move in CC with a Marut. All 3 antipodes are engaged. Antipode A is spearhead. Marut declare CC ARO against antipode B. Antipode declare CC attack as a second action, which one can do it ?

Answer :
1 : Only Antipode A can roll CC because he is the spearhead. There is two “unopposed” CC roll (one for the Marut, one with 3 dice for the Antipodes)

2 : Anyone of the Antipode can roll CC. Antipode B choose to do it ending up in an opposed roll between Antipode and Marut

Repeaters and ZOC delay (sixth sense)

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Original Topic: https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/repeaters-vs-stealth.22609/

Situation: Kerr-Nau is in a 5 man fireteam granting him Sixth Sense lvl 2. An enemy hacker move in one of Kerr-Nau repeater zone of control. Can Kerr-Nau use Sixth-Sense lvl 1 to delay is ARO ?

Answer:
1) Yes, repeaters zone of control are treated by hacker "as if it was their own”. Hacker with sixth sense lvl 1 and above can delay in their hacking area (this answer create a problem with reset declaration that also need answer if 1) is right, see topic)

2) No, a repeater only allows you to use hacking program in their zone of control

Gut rolls, falling prone and facing / Gut rolls, religious troop and facing

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/guts-rule-discrepancy-spanish-v-english.26397/#post-198577
(follow up of @HellLois answer)
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/guts-roll-prone-and-change-facing.2021/page-2


Situation 1 : a trooper fall prone after failing his guts roll, is he allowed to change facing ? Same situation for a religious trooper who pass his guts roll and fall prone.
Answer :
1 : Yes
2 : No

Situation 2 : same question for a religious trooper : a religious trooper is shoot from his rear arc. He survives and fails is WIP roll to take cover. Is he allowed to change facing ? Same situation for a non-religious trooper who survives and pass his guts roll and choose not to move.
Answer :
1 : Yes
2 : No

CC and Sixth sense (when attacked from the back)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/sixth-sense-clarifications.27078/page-4#post-210984


Situation : Ajax is moving out of a Chasseur line of Fire and reach base to base with him. the chasseur (sixth sense lvl 1) delays their ARO. Ajax then declares CC Attack as his second short skill. Can the chasseur declare BS Shoot as their ARO?.

Answer :
1 : Yes. SSL1 let's your respond to attacks regardless of facing. The attacker counts as attacking for the entire order so the defender can ARO at a point prior to the attacker reaching B2B and so BS Attack would be valid.

2 : No. SSL1 let's you respond to attacks regardless of facing, however the attacker only counts as attacking once they reach B2B and so BS Attack would not be valid at that time.

Is Smoke BS attack an attack ? (and follow up consequences)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/impetues-order-and-smoke.26383/

Subject : in a previous discussion (https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/hvt-and-smoke.24760/#post-145549) we were told Smoke BS attack doesn't have the attack label (but no CB validation) so question : A) Does the smoke ammo remove "attack" label from the skill ? B) Is smoke grenade toss allowed if trooper is in Stunned state ? C) Is smoke grenade toss allowed during Impetues order ?

Immobilized and ARO only skills

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/immobilized-and-change-facing-what-is-a-short-skill.26997/

Subject : Change facing, counterstrike and Hack Transport Aircraft only have the ARO label, not the short skills label. Imm-1 prevent to declare long skills and limit short skills to reset/regeneration/sensor/automedikit. Can these ARO only skills be used while under the Imm-1 status ?

Impetuous question (who is the closest target, movement question)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/impetuous-move-direction-questions.27092/
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/dismounting-during-impetuous-order.25688/

During an Impetuous Order;
Q1: Can an Impetuous Trooper choose to move towards a target that is equal amount of orders, but further away?
Q2: Can an impetuous Trooper choose to move towards a target with a sub-optimal expenditure of orders (dismount from bike)?
Q3: Can an Impetuous Trooper freely choose which type of movement order from the list of legal orders e.g. in order to avoid having to take fall damage?

LoF and order timing (with camo revealing itself in ARO)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/lof-and-order-timing.27265/#post-215054

Situation : A trooper walks to gain LoF to a large camouflage token, such as a Sphinx and an S2 trooper/target behind it (in this case it was an Ímetron). In ARO, the Sphinx reveals, firing a weapon at the active trooper. Can the active trooper target the Ímetron with an attack, if at no point during its movement it has vision to the position of the Ímetron that isn't blocked by the Sphinx's current position?
1. Yes, the trooper had LoF on the Imetron at one point of the order so he can target it
2. No, the sphinx is considered revealed during the whole order, blocking LoF on the Imetron

Hack Transport Aircraft and ARO choice for hacker vs AD

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/explode-lx-timing.26092/ (topic related to ARO timing vs AD Combat Jump)

Situation : Diomedes use AIRBORNE DEPLOYMENT LEVEL 4. COMBAT JUMP to land near an interventor. The interventor can use Hack Transport Aircraft to ARO. Can he forego Hack Transport Aircraft to use another ARO once Diomedes final position is determined ?

1. No. The following sequence must be applied so the hacker who forgo the use of Hack Transport Aircraft cannot AOR

a.Declare AD: Combat Jump and the desired location.
b.'First' ARO step, Hackers that have the right Program can declare Hack Transport Aircraft.
c.Make the PH Roll for Combat Jump (as a Face to Face if there are any Hack Transport Aircraft AROs).
d.Determine actual landing position of the AD trooper, and place the template for Explode X.
e.'Second' ARO step, AROs are now generated for everyone else, based on the trooper's actual landing location.​

2. Yes

Assault and Surprise Attack

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/pavel-assault-natural-born-warrior-surprise-attack.27659/

Situation : Pavel MacMannus is camouflaged. He is performing the assault skill. Does he benefit from the surprise attack and inflict -6 to his opponent ?

Answer :
1 : Yes. Pavel is camouflaged at the start of his order and Surprise Attack is a type of CC Attack and so can be performed as part of an Assault.

2 : No. Surprise Attack lacka the CC attack label and can't be performed as part of an Assault.

Surprise shot + Triangulated Fire

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/surprise-shot-triangulated-fire.25564/

Situation : A zulu-cobra sensor in camouflaged state declare triangulated fire to shoot an enemy trooper. Does he benefit from the surprise shot effect ?

Answer :
Surprise Shot is a short skill and Triangulated Fire is a long skill who has as a part of the skill an Attack so :
1 : Yes.

2 : No.

When to choose Parachutist trooper segment during deployement ?

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threa...the-last-miniature-for-your-deployment.28759/

Question : Can you choose the segment that Parachutist later use to deploy during your 'last figure' step? Even if your last figure is not a Parachutist?

Answer :
A. Yes. The last figure step is part of the deployment phase so it is valid to wait until this step to make your decision
B. No. You must write down which segment your Parachutists will deploy via unless your last figure is a Parachutist. If your last figure is a Parachutist you may make this decision during the last figure step.
C. No. You must write down which segment your Parachutists will deploy via unless your last figure is the only Parachutist in your list. If your last figure is your only Parachutist you may make this decision during the last figure step. If you have other Parachutists in your list you must make this decision during the main deployment step.
D. NO, you must set landing segment for ALL of you parachutist during your main deployment step, despite the number of your parachutist in the list or holding some of them in reserve.

AI Beacon during deployement

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/equipment-vs-troopers-and-states.28165/

Situation : Do AI Beacons count as troopers for deployment, except when noted otherwise? Do scenario deployment restrictions that indicate "troopers" apply to them (as per the definition of deployable equipment) ?

Answer :
1 : Yes.

2 : No.

Equipment vs. States

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/equipment-vs-troopers-and-states.28165/

Situation : When does deployable equipment count as a trooper for the purposes of States? The examples indicate that AI Beacons can be isolated, and Perimeter weapons can be Disconnected, as per their own rules text.

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Total immunity and fire sensitive equipment

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/nanoscreen-total-immunity-and-fire-ammunition.28874/

Situation : A trooper with total immunity and a fire sensitive equipement (example : Rasails with Symbiomates) is hit by a weapon with fire amunition (example : heavy rocket launcher). Does the total immunity prevent the fire sensitive equipement from getting burnt ?

Answer :
1: No, because Fire is treated as Normal ammo by any model with Total Immunity.
2: Yes Burnt describes that if a trooper 'receives a hit' fromFire ammunition, their Fire-Sensitive equipment enters the Burnt state regardless of the outcome of ARM roll. Note that Burnt state does not reference being affected by the ammunition, it refers to receiving a hit.

Jammer against a target in CC (+follow up question regarding visual mod)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/jammer-into-cc.30287/

Situation : A viscious Heckler try to use his jammer to hit Achilles. Achilles is currently engaged with a morlock.

Does the heckler's jammer ignore the -6 mod for BS attack into CC ?

Answer :
1: Yes. The -6 mod for BS attack into CC is a visual mod so the jammer ignore it
2: No. The trait that seems to give Jammers the ability to ignore mods is 'No LOF'. Since there's nothing in either the Jammer or BS Attack into Close Combat rules that indicates LOF is a factor in why the MOD is applied ergo it LOF is not a factor and the MOD should be applied as normal.

Follow up question : can we have a more detailed explaination of what is a "visual mod" and how "No LOF" weapon are allowed to ignored them

Berserk vs Martial Art and I-Khol

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/berserk-vs-i-kohl-example-contradicts-rules.32034/

Situation : A Makhaul (Martial Art lvl 2, I-khol lvl 1) is fighting an highlander (Berserk) in CC. The Makhul declare the use of MA lvl 1 and I-khol lvl 1, the highlander declare the use of Berserk

What is the final modifier to the highlander CC roll ?

Answer :
1: +6, Opponents MODs for CC Special Skills explicitly apply to Face to Face Rolls. Nothing in either MA or I-Khol main rules text says otherwise.
2: +3, Opponents MODs for CC Special Skills explicitly apply to Face to Face Rolls. Nothing in MA main rules text says otherwise but I-khol example says it works on berserk. (mainstream understanding)
3: 0, Opponents MODs for CC Special Skills explicitly apply to Face to Face Rolls. I-khol example says it works on berserk. MA and I-khol rules are written in a similar way so should work the same way.

Does your opponent know which model/group an Irregular order belongs to (when the model come from a camoed trooper) ?

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threa...ch-model-an-irregular-order-belongs-to.33668/

Question :Player A libertos is in camouflaged state. The libertos irregular order has not been used yet. Does player B know which group the libertos order belong to ?

Answer :
a) No, irregular orders are not part of the order pool (and so not identified as part of a group) and the camo marker irregular status is private. As long as the order is not spent, player B does not know which trooper and which group it belongs too
b) Yes, the 'status' part of "The status and expenditure of Irregular Orders is Open Information. Players must place their Irregular Order Markers where all players can see them." would include Combat Groups. Although this would mean that the Lieutenant Order's Combat Group is also known, as it uses identical wording. (thanks @ijw)

Coordinated BS attack including a deployable weapon

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threa...ith-increased-burst-coordinated-orders.33866/

4 troopers are coordinating a BS attack on Joan of Arc. Trooper A of them is using a BS weapon that can deploy a deployable equipment (pitcher, drop bear, mine dispenser). Trooper A pass his BS attack roll.

Question A : Joan of Arc is killed by trooper B, C and D attacks, is the deployable equipment placed in her previous location ?

Answer :
A1 : Yes, the deployable equipement is placed at the end of the order and Joan is not here at the end of the order
A2 : No, order expenditure sequence says step 8 "Effect" apply the effect of the roll (placing deployable) before the ARM roll. So Joan is still alive when the deployable should be placed, blocking its deployement

Question B : Joan survive but choose to fail her gut roll and flee 5cm away. Is the deployable equipment placed in her previous location ?

Answer
B1 : Yes, the deployable equipement is placed at the end of the order and Joan is not here at the end of the order
B2 : No, order expenditure sequence says step 8 "Effect" apply the effect of the roll (placing deployable). Joan fleeing happen at step 9. So Joan is still here when the deployable should be placed, blocking its deployement

Mine AROs Overlapping with Movement Declarations

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threa...with-movement-declarations.25662/#post-171879 (solved question by helllois)
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threa...ith-increased-burst-coordinated-orders.33866/ (new question : what happen if the "blocking" trooper die/move)

A Krakot is declaring move in view of a sin eater and a zero. The zero is declaring "laying a mine" as his ARO. The sin eater is declaring BS attack. The Krakot is declaring move as his ssecond short skill and end up 0.0001 mm away from the zero base, at the spot where the mine should have been layed.

Based on the solved question by @HellLois, the mine cannot be placed because the Krakot is in its location.

Question A : The Krakot is killed by the Sin Eater BS attack ARO. Is the mine placed in his previous location ?

Answer :
A1 : Yes, the deployable equipement is placed at the end of the order and The krakot is not here at the end of the order
A2 : No, order expenditure sequence says step 8 "Effect" apply the effect of the skill (placing mine) before the ARM roll. So the krakot is still alive when the mine should be placed, blocking its deployement

Question B : The Krakot survive but fail his gut roll and flee 5cm away. Is the mine placed in hisprevious location ?

Answer
B1 : Yes, the deployable equipement is placed at the end of the order and The krakot is not here at the end of the order
B2 : No, order expenditure sequence says step 8 "Effect" apply the effect of the skill (placing mine). The krakot fleeing happen at step 9. So the krakot is still here when the mine should be placed, blocking its deployement

Which states pass on from TAG to Pilot ?

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/which-states-pass-on-from-tag-to-pilot.33918/

Question 1 : What happens when a Pilot unmount his manned TAG while the TAG is Targeted and Isolated
1) The pilot is also Targeted and Isolated because both are the same trooper.
2) The pilot counts as a different trooper so it's not targeted, nor isolated.

Question 2 : What happens to an unmounted Pilot away from his manned TAG when the TAG is affected by E/M ammo?
1) The Pilot also suffers the effects of the E/M ammo (IMM-2 and ISO) because both are the same trooper. Using a Engineer to cancel the states from the Pilot would also cancel them from the TAG and viceversa.
2) The Pilot is not affected as it counts as a different trooper while in the table. An Engineer would only cancel states from the miniature he is in b2b, Pilot or TAG.
3) The Pilot is not affected for other reasons.

Question 3 : What happens if an unmounted Pilot enters in the uncouncious state?
1) Both the TAG and the Pilot are the same trooper so the Unconscious state affect both, the unconscious state is regulated in manned so an unconscious TAG may keep still activating his Pilot but it cannot mount or activate the TAG troop profile while unconscious.
2) As the TAG and the Pilot profile have separate W/STR values, each one have its own unconscious state, an unconscious Pilot must follow all the unconscious rules and cannot be activated unless it has V:NWI or any similar ability.

Question 4 : When you decide to mount/unmount a manned TAG in the step 3 of the order expenditure sequence, are both profiles activated or just the one used in that order?
1) Yes, you must activate both profiles but only the new profile is the one that count as activated in the ARO phase. Mount would be: TAG activate and declare Movement (dismount), the pilot is placed in B2B with the TAG and moves, the TAG counts as never activated.
2) No, the only profile that activate is the new profile. Mount would be: Declare a Movement (dismount) using the pilot profile, the pilot is placed in B2B with the TAG and moves, the TAG is never activated.

Blast focus definition and consequences (can a circular template hit a downward target)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/smoke-going-downward.33971/

What does infinite height means regarding to smoke :
1) infinite height in both direction (upward and downward)
2) infinite height, but upward only

The following question applies both to targetless circular template (smoke...) or speculative fire

What is the nature of the blast focus of an impact template (question for both circular and teardrop template, answer can be the same for both, or not):
1) A point in the targeted surface with unknow dimensions.
2) A point infinitesimally above of the targeted surface with unknow dimensions.
3) A point in the targeted surface, which correspond with the center of the template placed; the blast focus have no dimension (including no height)
4) A point in a point infinitesimally above of the targeted surface, which correspond with the center of the template; the blast focus have no dimension (including no height)
5) A circle of unknown dimension (as shown in the teardrop template pictures)

Answer 1 to 4 : the blast focus is a point :

Are the played allowed to select the target 3x3mm zone just right next to a border?
1)No, the targeted point must be the center of that 3x3mm zone, if you choose a point too close to the border that attack would be illegal and cancelled. Hence, there is no way to place the 3x3mm zone perfectly just in next to a border without allowing perfect intent (Perfect intent is not supported by the rules confirmed by ijw in this same thread)
2) Yes, you can place the 3x3mm zone around the targeted point as you wish. Hence, you are allowed to place that 3x3mm zone just in the border.

Can the Blast Focus be placed at the border of a roof/wall?
1) No, because you cannot place the 3x3mm zone just in the border (see question above).
2) No, you need to see at least a 3mm square of roof. Blast focus will be in the middle of this square.
3) Yes, nothing forbids you to place your blast focus on the border of a wall/roof.
4) Yes, you can place it on the border of a wall/roof but you will need to use speculative fire to being allowed place the blast focus off-centered.

Can the blast focus be placed just in the border of a roof/wall (see question above), can LoF be traced downwards from that point?
1) No, you can't place the blast focus in a border, see above.
2) No, even when placed in the border the LoF is only supossed to be unpwards, never downwards.
3) No, even when placed in a border you need to trace LoF to the center of it so you cannot trace LoF downwards (assuming it have volumen)
3) No, even when placed in a border you cannot trace LoF downwards for other reasons (in this case is true, please add reasons).
4) Yes, a point just in a corner would allow you to trace LoF downwards.

Answer 5 : the blast focus is a circle
Can the blast focus be placed at the border of a roof/wall so LoF can be traced downward from the blast focus ?
1) Yes. You can place it on the border and LoF can be traced to any point of the blast focus so you can trace LoF downward
2) No. You can place it on the border but LoF can be traced to only to the center of the blast focus so you can't trace LoF downward

Unmounted Impetuous bikers : go for the bike or for the enemy ?

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/impetuous-bikers-shenanigans.34200/

Question 1 : Yojimbo is 2 inches away of its motorcycle during the impetuous phase. How should Yojimbo move?
a) Yojimbo must move towards the nearest enemy model following the rules in impetuous and ignoring his motorbike.
b) Yojimbo must consider the shortest route (the one that take the less number of orders) and going into b2b with his motorbike if mounting is part of the fastest way to reach the nearest enemy.
c) As answer b; but Yojimbo can only consider getting into base to base with his motorbike if he can do it without moving less than the entirety of his corresponding MOV value.

Question 2 : If b or c are true (question 1): If an enemy can be reach in the same number of orders on foot or by motorcycle. Can Yojimbo choose the route?
a) Yes, if both paths take the same number of orders his player can choose.
b) No, Yojimbo must go towards the enemy.
c) No, Yojimbo must go towards the motorbike.

Question 3 : If instead Yojimbo the rider is a Zondnaut and the bike a G:Sync Zondmate. Which path should the Zondnaut and Zondmate take?
a) If the shortest route requires the Zondnaut to mount, the Zondnaut will move to the initial Zondmate location and the Zondmate will wait for hime to mount
b) If the shortest route requires the Zondnaut to mount, The Zondmate will move in toward the nearest enemy and the Zondnaut will move in toward the Zondmate final location
c) The zondnaut and Zondmate will ignore each other and both move toward the nearest enemy

Multi-unit order and marker/holo state (camo, holo, imp...)

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Original topic :https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/camo-markers-and-illegal-bs-attacks.34222/

State concerned : Camouflaged, TO Camouflaged, Impersonation-1, Impersonation-2, Holoprojector level 1, Holoechoes
Multi-unit order concerned : Coordinated order, fireteam order

Question : Trooper is hidden behind a state and participates in a multi-unit order but can't perform the skills declared. In what situations are the state preserved

Answer :
A) All states cancelled
B) Trooper may keep only Holo1 regardless of order type
C) Trooper may keep only Holo1 but only if in a Fireteam
D) Trooper may keep any state but only if in a Fireteam
E) Trooper may keep any state regardless of order type

Downgrading TO to camo, which modifier applies to BS Attack ?

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/to-downgrade-to-regular-camo.35102/

Question : A TO Camouflage trooper chooses to use CH: Camouflage to deploy as regular Camo Marker. It then engages in a shootout with enemy trooper with no MSV. Does the TO trooper benefit from -3 or -6 modifier from his CH skill in this order?

Answer :
A) -3, Camo lvl 2 and 3 have the NFB label. So if the unit is in camouflaged lvl 2 state, he cannot benefit from the TO camouflage skill modifier
B) -6, Camo lvl 2 and 3 have the NFB label but the camouflaged state don't. Therefore the ennemy trooper will have a -3 modifier to discover but a -6 modifier to shoot

Same question regarding a TO trooper using camouflage lvl 2 skill to camouflage reveal itself and is shot in ARO. Do you get a -3 or -6 modifier to shoot him ?

Impetuous trooper (Arogoto) and cybermask

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Original topic :https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/aragoto-killer-hacker-and-cybermask.24293/
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/aragoto-khd-and-cybermask.35202/

Question : an impetuous trooper with KHD (let's say an arogoto) want to use the cybermask programm to go Imp-2. Is he allowed to ?

Answer :
A) Yes, cybermask does not have any rules related to Impetuous. The impersonation-2 state is only cancelled when a trooper become impetuous (and the Arogoto already is impetuous).
B) No, the impersonation state would be cancelled immediately even if the Aragoto tried to run cybermask as impetuous is one of the cancellation conditions.

Holoechoes : which skill/equipment can they use ? (ODD, stealth)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/holoprojector-l3-and-odd-who-said-patrocle.828/

Situation 1 : Patroclus (ddo version) has 2 holoechoes. One of the holoecho is the target of a BS Attack. During the resolution step, which modifier is applied to the BS attack : -6 or 0 ?

Answers :
A) 0. Holoechoes have no profile/equipment and only reproduce them "for show". If the oponent ask what modifier applies before the resolution step, I can answer -6 for DDO but at the resolution step, only the true equipement/skill applies (which mean no equipment/skill so modifier)
B) -6. Holoechoes reproduce skills and non-deployable equipement from patroclus, so they benefit from DDO at the resolution step

Situation 2 : Patroclus (ddo version) has 2 holoechoes. He move using stealth. Does the holoechoes also benefit from stealth ?

Answers :
A) No. Holoechoes have no profile/equipment and only reproduce them "for show". So they don't have stealth.
B) Yes. Holoechoes perform the exact same skill as Patroclus, which mean they perform "move using stealth".
C) Yes. Holoechoes reproduce skills and non-deployable from patroclus, so they benefit from stealth

Maestro and concurrent ARO

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/maestro-and-concurrent-aros.35996/

Situation : a trooper receive damage from the Maestro hacking program and another source (bs attack, skullbuster...).
Other source cause 1 damage, Maestro cause the target to fall unconscious. What happen ?

Answer :
1 : Maestro cause the trooper to fall unconscious, Other source cause one wound which make the trooper fall unsconscious. Trooper fall unconscious.
2 : Maesto causes the target to lose all points of his Wounds/STR and the Other source cause one wound. The trooper take a number of wound equal to his Wound attribute +1 => he dies

Chest mine self detonation + dogged

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Situation : a krakot have Chest Mine and the dogged skill, when does the chest mine ability "Self Detonation in CC." will detonate ?

Answer :
1 : Only if the Krakot fall in the unconscious state (not dogged)
2 : Dogged is a special form of unconscious so the chest mine will self-detonate both when reaching unconscious and dogged state

ARO for a trooper hit by a template at the second ARO step

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/entire-order-and-the-order-sequence.36748/#post-327223
Situation : What happens when a figure that does not otherwise have an ARO is hit by a Template Weapon that triggers during the second ARO step, step 6 of the Order Expenditure Sequence, such as when a Mine is triggered by a friendly ARO?

Answer :
A. The figure, if it is normality allowed to Dodge, is permitted to declare the Dodge ARO at -3 for not having LOF as described in the Template Weapon rules.
B. The figure is not allowed to declare any AROs as they did not meet the requirements for AROing prior to commencing the second ARO step, step 6.

 

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Symbiomate and Guts roll (Solved by new rule with Daedalus Fall, change on Symbiomate rules make the question irrelevant)

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Original Topic: https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/do-symbiomates-prevent-guts-completely.568/

A consensus seems to have been reached here but the question is recurring so official answer + putting it in solved question and/or FAQ would be nice

Situation: A tohaa use his Symbiomate to avoid taking damage. Is he allowed to perform a guts roll (should he want to)

Answer:
1) No, using Symbiomate force you to avoid guts roll (the consensus)

2) Yes, avoiding the guts roll is optional. It works like courage.

Stealth and Hacking ARO(solved by FAQ 1.6)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/stealth-on-stealth-aro-option.25279
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threa...h-stealth-hacker-combo.3163/page-2#post-42588
Old forum thread : http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/43541-non-leader-fireteam-members-and-stealth/ (old forum being closed you can use google cache : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CQzDQucDHLkJ:infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/43541-non-leader-fireteam-members-and-stealth/+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr)

Situation : a Santiago KHD and his paramedic order sergeant buddy are in a fireteam. Both enter a Naga KHD zone of control (but out of his line of sight). The Santiago use stealth and doesn’t generate an ARO. The order sergeant generate a ZoC ARO. Can the Naga hack the Santiago ?

Answer :
1 : An ARO can only be used against the one who generated it, so the Naga is limited to ZoC ARO (reset or change facing)

2 : Once an ARO is generated, it can be used agains any active trooper. The Naga can hack the Santiago

FAQ answer : If two or more troops, one with Stealth and the other without Stealth, were activated simultaneously within ZC and outside LoF of an enemy, troops without Stealth would granted to the enemy an ARO. Could the ARO be declared against the troops with Stealth?
No, you can only ARO against the troop without Stealth. This does not prevent you from declaring Change Facing or Reset.

If two or more hackable troops, one with Stealth and the other without Stealth, were activated simultaneously within Hacking Area, could I declare Hacking against the troops with Stealth?
No, you can only ARO against the troop without Stealth. This does not prevent you from declaring Change Facing or Reset.

Discover + Discover vs Imp marker (solved by FAQ 1.6, discover + discover on 1 target now forbidden)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/discover-discover.26926/
(or the last topic as the discussion has been going for a long time)

Situation : a line kazak is trying to discover an Imp 1 marker. His first action is discover. The marker doesn’t ARO. The line kazak second action is also discover. The roll are made, one is a fail and one his a success. The Imp-1 marker is replaced by an Imp-2 marker. On his next order, can the line kazak try do discover the Imp-2 marker

Answer :
1 : the imp-2 marker is still the same impersonator so he cannot discover again as he has failed one discover roll

2 : the imp-2 marker is a different marker than the imp-1 marker so he can discover again despite having failed one discover

FAQ answer : Can I declare two Discover skill against same marker in one order?No

Tactical awareness/NCO + fireteam interaction (solved by FAQ 1.6)

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Original Topic: https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/tactical-awareness-and-fireteam-leader.26085/

Situation: Yan Huo, Zuyong Haris (TacSense), Pangguling link.
The YanHuo is the leader, having spent some orders to shoot enemy troops. I decide i wish to reposition the link for better aro next turn.
Can I activate TacSense, making the Zuyong the leader, to move the link using no orders from the pool?

Answer:
1) No, since the fireteam leader is designated after order expenditure you'd need to spend an order on the zuyong haris to make him the fireteam leader before you're allowed to use his tactical awareness order.

2) Yes, tactical awareness only requires the model with this skill to be the fireteam leader when using his tactical awareness order.

FAQ answer : How do you spend Orders on a Fireteam when using Tactical Awareness or NCO?
The Tactical Awareness or NCO trooper does not need to be the Team Leader when spending the Order on the Fireteam, but they must be nominated as the Team Leader when declaring the first Skill of the Order

CC in a smoke and Sixth sense (solved by FAQ 1.6)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/smoke-and-sixth-sense.23551/ (page 4-6)


Situation : A reactive chasseur (sixth sense lvl 1) is in a zero visibility zone caused by smoke. The active turn player spends an order to activate a trooper with move as the first short skill and move into base to base with the chasseur. The chasseur delays their ARO. The active player then declares CC Attack as their second short skill. Can the chasseur declare BS Shoot as their ARO?.

Answer :
1 : Yes, because sixth sense allow the chasseur to answer an attack (including CC attack) without needing LoF

2 : No, he is engaged when he is allowed to ARO and is only allowed CC attack/dodge

FAQ answer : A reactive trooper with Sixth Sense is inside Zero Visibility Zone. The active trooper moves into base contact with their first Short Skill and then declares a CC Attack. Can the reactive trooper declare a BS Attack?
No. The active trooper is only visible when they are in base contact. As BS Attacks cannot be declared while in base contact, the trooper with Sixth Sense cannot declare a BS Attack.

Critical and impact template (solved by FAQ 1.6)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/impact-template-issues.25259/page-4
More recently : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/shotgun-templates-and-f2f-rolls.26995/#post-208606
Old forum post (using google cache) : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kmaT15m7q7IJ:infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/31275-solved-impact-templates-other-troopers-and-the-effects-of-the-critical/+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr

Situation 1 : a correguidor Bandit is shooting with his shotgun. The distance is 25cm. His main target is a Sukeul, his secondary target is an Ectros with a symbiomate. Both the Sukeul and the Ectros dodges.
The bandit rolls a 18 (miss) and a 9 (which is a critical). The Sukeul rolls a 6, the Ectros rolls a 10.
The Sukeul, being the main target take automatic damages. What happen to the Ectros ?

Answer :
1 : Critical count only as critical for the main target : the Ectros dodge of 10 beat the bandit shot of 9 so the Ectros is undamaged.
2 : Critical is separated in 2 parts : it's a critical only for the main target for damages but count as a critical to hit (old rulling from the old forum) for everyone under the template.
The Ectros dodge of 10 doesn’t beat the bandit shot of 9 so the Ectros take damage and need to roll his armor :
2a : He can use his symbiomate and avoid rolling his armor
2b : He can’t use his symbiomate (because critical) and so must roll his armor

FAQ answer : What happens when a troop rolls a Critical with a Template Weapon that affects more than one troop?
The main target of the attack suffers the Critical effects of the Special Ammunition, weapon, or rule, for example Normal Ammunition will cause the target to lose one Wound/Structure, bypassing the ARM or BTS Roll.The Roll will not count as a Critical against the other troops, instead counting as a success that can be beaten by higher Rolls.

Data scan and face to face ARO (solved by FAQ 1.6)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/data-scan-aro.27434/

Situation : A naga killer hacker is both in LoF and Zone of Control of a zero killer hacker. The naga first action is move. The zero then declare his ARO. Then the naga try to do the data scan ARO.

If the Zero ARO is an hacking attack or a BS attack, is the roll a face to face or not ?

1. No. Data Scan for 2 possible reason :
- description of data scan only mention reset as a possible ARO
- data scan doesn't affect the zero (as per face to face rules http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Face_to_Face_Rolls) so both roll are unopposed
2. Yes. Data Scan target the zero so it affect him so the roll is a face to face

FAQ answer : When I declare Data Scan, can the target declare an ARO other than Reset?
Any possible ARO could be declared, but only Reset would be a Face to Face roll against Data Scan

Prone state and Cautious Move (and movement skills other than move) (solved by FAQ 1.7)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/cancelling-of-prone-state-by-cautious-move.26545/
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/can-you-go-prone-during-a-dodge-or-cautious-move.33784/

Situation : trooper A is prone and declare a cautious move. Can he cancel prone as part of his cautious move ?

(Same question can apply to non-move movement skill such as jump or climb)

Answer :
1 – Yes he can. A trooper can change to or from the Prone state whenever declaring a skill or ARO that uses the General Movement Rules. (old rulling in need of confirmation by CB)
2 – No he can’t, only the short skill move allows to go prone or to get up and cancel prone

Same question regarding a trooper who wants to go prone.
Dodge allows to use the move skill so there are no doubt dodge allow to go prone/cancel prone/ Still a global answer including prone would be appreciated

FAQ answer : answer 2 : Prone state can be activated or cancelled by declaring the Move Short Movement Skill, or where stated in the rules.

Lieutenant lvl 2 and Chain of Command/Executive order (solved by FAQ 1.7)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/executive-order-and-lieutenant-level-2.26179/

Question :
Can a trooper with Executive Order or Chain-of-command spend Lieutenant special orders generated by a different Lieutenant? How does this interact with Lieutenant 2?

a) Yes. They can use both Lieutenant special orders, provided the original Lieutenant Level 2 hasn't expended them already that turn.
b) No. They can't use any Lieutenent special orders until they generate their own.
c) Yes. However, troopers with Executive Order and Chain-of-Command become Lieutenant Level 1s and may only spend a single Lieutenent Special Order per turn.
d) No. Rather a trooper with Executive Order or Chain-of-command has their own LT special order, so that trooper will get a brand new one to spend on assuming the role of Lieutenant.

FAQ answer : Unless a rule specifies otherwise (NCO), only the troop who generate the lieutenant order(s) can use it

"Hackable" trait, repeaters, and holoprojector (solved by FAQ 1.7)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/hackable-trait-repeaters-and-holoprojector.28135/
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/hacking-device-holoprojector-l1-hackable-characteristic.1944/

Situation : A hacker disguised using Holoprojector 1 as a non-hacker (and therefore who doesn't have the hackable trait on their true or apparent profiles) moves into an enemy repeater zone in their active turn. Am I required to inform my opponent of anything?

Answer :
1 : No. I have no obligation to reveal anything.
2 : No. Only the hackable trait must be revealed when an holo 1 trooper enter an enemy hacking zone and hacker are
3 : No. Both the hackable trait and the program that can affect the target must be revealed when an holo 1 trooper enter an enemy hacking zone

Follow up : In the above situation, assuming that you don't have to reveal anything, since the reactive player doesn't think they have any AROs available, if they don't take any after the first short skill where the enemy moved into their repeater area, are they unable to respond if the hidden hacker declares a hacking program against them?

Answer :
1 : Yes, they already lost their chance to ARO
2 : No, they can no ARO as usual

FAQ answer : The hackable caracteristic and any hackable device the troop have is public information when in an opponent hacking area

Stratocloud : can it be reactivated once cancelled ? (solved by FAQ 1.7)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/stratuscloud-clarification-question.33675/

Question :
The last cancelation clause of Stratuscloud (Once this state is cancelled….) is creating doubts about the RAI of this state and the equipment that trigger it. So, how is this equipment and state intended to work:

State:
a) Once the state is cancelled in one of your models, you cannot activate it in any of the other models.
b) Once the state is cancelled in one of your models, you cannot activate it that same model.
c) You can activate the state any number of times.

Equipment:
d) As it has the disposable trait you can reload and use it any number of times. But if a or b are true then the equipment won't activate the state.
e) As it has the disposable trait you can reload it and it will override the cancelation clause, letting you activate the state.
e) The cancelation clause of Stratuscloud prevents you to reload the equipment.

FAQ answer : Once the trooper’s Statuscloud state has been cancelled, that trooper cannot activate the state again

Non-Lethal Ammo vs Symbiomate (solved by FAQ 1.7)

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Original topic : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/flash-pulse-knock-off-symbiomates.28254/

Situation : A trooper with a symbiomate is hit by a non lethal ammo weapon that forces an ARM or BTS Roll (flash pulse). Is the symbiomate expanded by this hit ?

Answer :
1: No, because total immunity prevent the ARM/BTS roll so the symbiomate is not expanded
2: Yes, total immunity is granted per use of the symbiomate so the symbiomate is expanded

FAQ answer :
A trooper with a SymbioMate is hit by a weapon that forces an ARM or BTS Roll, and has the Non-Lethal Trait. Will the SymbioMate be removed by this hit?
No. Due to Total Immunity, the trooper will not be making an ARM or BTS Roll, so the SymbioMate is not removed.

Hidden deployement and tactical Awareness (solved by FAQ 1.8)

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Original topic :https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/hidden-deployment-and-tactical-awareness.34883/
https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/hidden-deployment-tac-awareness.34909/

Question : a trooper (likely a TAG) start the turn in Hidden Deployement and has the Tactical Awareness skill. Can he use the Tactical Awareness order ?

Answer :
A) Yes
B) No, the miniature is not on the table when order are generated and the marker cannot be placed next to him


FAQ answer : The additional Order is only generated if the trooper is on the game table as a marker or model in the Order count step of the Tactical Phase.

Riotstoppers versus Camo Markers (solved by FAQ 1.8)

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Original topic :https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/riotstoppers-versus-camo-markers.34853/

Question : a trooper in camoulfaged state is hit by an attack using a Riotstoppers (without being discovered first). Does the hit break the camo state ?

Answer :
A) Yes
B) No, per RAW the camouflaged state is broken by an ARM or BTS roll. Riotstopper cause a PH roll so it doesn't break the camouflaged state.

FAQ answer : No

Isolated Antipode and G:Sync (solved by FAQ 1.9)

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Original topic for Antipode : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/cancelling-retreat-for-antipodes-how-many-tokens.23735/
Original topic for G:Sync : https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/g_synchronised-isolate.26150/#post-187451

Situation : One Antipode from a pack of three get isolated. What happens if you activate the pack:
1. The Antipode that's Isolated won't even be activated (unless you're using their own Irregular order)
2. The Antipode that's Isolated will activate but be forced to Idle (unless irregular order).
3. As long as at least one Antipode is not Isolated, the pack can receive orders and work as usual.

An Auxilia Auxbot is isolated. What happens if you activate the auxilia ? (same answers as above)

FAQ answer : Isolated has no effect on trooper with the G: Synchronized, G: Servant or Antipode Special Skills

 

Corrected and added, thanks

 

@inane.imp : Good idea for the spoiler, I edited it

I resumed the 2 topics you wrote about, please correct me if I made a mistake

 

I'm not familiar with this one, do you have a topic link to give me (so I can read it and resume) ?

 

My goal is not to create an FAQ as much as bringing material to CB to improve their own as fast as possible

For years now, I have seen unsolved important question be debated pages after pages until we agreed to disagreed, then the topic sunk in the depth of the forum (then a few month latter it come back and is debated again)

By putting a list of them here (in a format as simple as possible), I hope @HellLois can put an end to the discussion by choosing one of the options and putting the post in the solved question sub-forum (which is a good idea by the way) then in the FAQ