Stealth + on stealth ARO option

The strictest interpretation is that Stealth only prevents ARO generation and since an ARO is generated by the Magister, DeFersen is a valid target for any ARO that doesn't require LOF.

 

How do you get that Carmen is “invisible”? Being in base contact means the “in ZoC but outside of LoF” requirement for Stealth is failed—in base contact you have 360 LoF.

So Carmen can certainly be on the receiving end of a CC ARO.

 

The issue of whether an Engaged Trooper touching a Zero Visibility Zone would still be in vision of the Trooper they are Engaged with has not been clarified. I've seen plenty of rules testers argue as if Engaged not only grants 360 vision, but also allows the Engaged Trooper to ignore visibility zones.

But you didn't specify Zero Visibility Zone so the Poor Guy has LOF to Carmen and she can thus not use Stealth.

Regardless of which, in almost all cases it doesn't matter. If Batard generates an ARO (and Batard doesn't have Stealth as far as I can see) the Poor Guy will gain an ARO and can use it to attack Carmen since Carmen is activated by the order. CC Attack does not require LOF.

 

In order to do this you have to start outside of LOF. Carmen starts inside Poor Guy's LOF.

 

That seems.... wonky? Is this commonly played as such?

 

I think a more commonly played version is what IJW has proposed in the past: you can only use Stealth if all models part of the order can use Stealth.

 

No, but I don't see how this is relevant to your lines of question so far.

 

I'a, not so sure about it. Right, you don't need LOF to declare hacking ARO, but indeed you need a target, and I think rules are pretty clear than you only can targeting the troops wich generate the ARO, and De Fersen isn't because stealht.

 

That’s not how Stealth works.

Like Mahtamori pointed out, that all requires starting out of line of Fire. Starting in line of Fire (because you’re in base contact) doesn’t let the Stealth model apply the second bullet point it’s continuations.

Besides the fact that your order description is a mess:
“Carmen is in b2b with someone and during first short skill she Idles with Stealth, and Batard moves in ZoC of the enemy Carmen is engaged with.”

Do you mean the coordinated order was “Idle as the first short skill”?
1. Carmen and Batard declare Idle. The reactive model declares ARO against Carmen because bullet point 2 of Stealth doesn’t apply.
2. The other bullet points of Stealth don’t apply to the situation because starting in base contact doesn’t let you claim that you reached base contact.

 

@HellLois is this ever going to get solved?

 

Not at all, all it requires is that the target is activated by the order.

 

Again, the requirements for CC Attack is that the trooper gains an ARO to spend (thank you, Batard) and that the target is activated by the order (which Carmen is, otherwise she would have been able to declare Move). The trooper then wants to declare an order and wants to declare CC Attack and looks at requirements and goes "Jolly, I'm engaged in CC" and procedes to declare a CC Attack targeting Carmen because there are nothing making this declaration illegal.

Stealth prevents ARO generation it does nothing to prevent the ttrooper from being a target of a declaration if it can't deny the enemy from receiving an ARO.

 

Does the victim trying to declare BS Attack fulfill the skill's requirements?

No, because BS Attack requires LOF. Hence it would be an illegal skill declaration.