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Tic-Tac-Toe Tips, Tricks, and Tactics

Discussion in 'Druze Bayram Security' started by oldGregg, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. oldGregg

    oldGregg Well-Known Member

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    Paging my fellow Mercs for some thoughts on six Ts of this ITS challenge. My thoughts so far are to rely heavily on the units below. What are some strategies you've used? Are there certain things I should be avoiding or trying to capitalize on?

    The Six Ts
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    [​IMG]5 [​IMG]3
    VALERYA GROMOZ Hacker (Hacking Device UPGRADE: Expel) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    SCARFACE & CORDELIA TURNER . (1.5 | 74)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE 2 Mk12, Heavy Rocket Launcher / AP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. ()
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    SAITO TOGAN (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW, Knife. (0 | 40)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)

    <I'm a little less sure about relying on the units below, but I think I could make it work>

    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    BASHI BAZOUK (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 17)
    2 SWC | 213 Points
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  2. Marduck

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    Going second is strong to switch buttons and disrupt ennemy strategy. But you need to have a decent strike force too to weaken it'd zrmy before pushing forward turn 2 and 3.

    I think you need hmg in 5 men link and some msv sniper to do that. A nice hacking network might be nice. Hackers are specialists and you can stop an hi advance.
     
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  3. rac

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    Evo? Is worth it?
     
  4. oldGregg

    oldGregg Well-Known Member

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    I don’t mind taking an EVO, but I usually find myself wanting the points spent elsewhere.
     
  5. oldGregg

    oldGregg Well-Known Member

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    Okie doke. I played Tic-Tac-Toe, but didn't run Scarface. Instead, I ran the list I've discussed in two different threads.

    Here it is:

    Double Sniper
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    DRUZE (CH: Mimetism) MULTI Sniper / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    CLIPPER DRONBOT Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    VALERYA GROMOZ Hacker (Hacking Device UPGRADE: Expel) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    SAITO TOGAN (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW, Knife. (0 | 40)
    PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    BASHI BAZOUK Submachine Gun, Chain-colt / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Okay, you may be tired of me discussing this list, but here's why I ran it again:

    DBS as a sectorial has very few options compared with other factions (as you know). I had a theory that the only way to truly let them shine, is to PRACTICE. This holds true for anything, but especially in DBS. When you know all the tricks and different little shenanigans you can pull, a redundant list like this one can take an absolute beating and stand back up swinging.

    You can read about my choices and performance here:
    vs. Snake Eaters (VIRD)
    vs. QK (Sekban Core + Odalisque Haris)

    This match was against QK once again, vs another interesting list. (Full disclosure; He's trying out a lot of different units to get the feel of them). Here's what my opponent took:

    That'll Do
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
    [​IMG] IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife. ()
    LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    KAPLAN Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    KAPLAN Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Blitzen / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    KAPLAN Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 28)
    KAPLAN MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    DJANBAZAN Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 27)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]3
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 9)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 9)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 9)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    Ok. So i'm not a huge fan of this list, because I felt like he was putting a lot of eggs into the Kaplan link, and not running enough specialists to help him with the mission. That said, the mimetism in a fireteam is pretty scary. This opponent has also faced down my double sniper list about 12-15 games now, so I wouldn't really be able to pull any surprises on him. (Not of any real value anyways).

    Tic-Tac-Toe, Deployment

    So my opponent won the roll-off and chose to go second (correctly). I made him deploy first, and he piled up on my right flank, with the kaplans ready to ARO on a couple slim, but strong lanes. The fanous REMs watched his middle/back edge, and leila took my far left flank. He held the Iguana back.

    I deployed diagonally from his kaplans, putting distance and a good amount of intervening terrain between his fireteam and my Druze. My Peacemaker, however stood directly across from them, in cover, on my right flank. Valerya stayed with my brawler, and the rest were linked up, all on the left flank, but edging to my center. The hunzakut from group one deployed near the center/left objective, and the one in group two deployed near the center/middle objective. Saito deployed in marker state between these two, leaving the center/right objective protected by the peacemaker, pathfinder, and fugazi. (They didn't all have LOS, but could move in on a dime).

    Top of 1

    I connected my near/left objective before moving up and connecting the center/middle and center/left objectives. I don't remember being able to kill anything. My bashi came in on the right, dropped some templates on the kaplans, and got eaten alive from the TAG. (He had TWO crit dodges against the template).

    Bottom of 1

    The kaplan killed my peacemaker and moved up to connect his near objectives. (my center/far and right/far markers). The tag moved up, and discovered/killed Saito, but had to retreat from my multisnipers and a repeater I had laid down earlier. The hunzakut from group two (on the center objective) also got smoked by the Kaplans. (I got docked two orders on the opening turn and he failed his first wip roll to activate, so I didn't bother protecting him. (More profit for the survivors).

    Top of 2

    The multisniper murdered the TAG, causing its pilot to eject. This allowed my hunzakut to sneak up and kill it with 3 orders. (The druze sniper left one wound on the pilot). Once this was done, she connected my far/left antenna. The druze continued to push forward, ending in a spot that allowed them to overwatch the middle antennas. (Covering my far right could only be done if the kaplan pushed past it, down one small lane. They did, however, cover the approach from center/right to center/middle, and had an immediate command of my center/left. This left one was approachable from my far left without contest from anything but my brawler Lt.

    Bottom of 2

    Leila failed to cybermask twice before deciding to move in to my center left anyways. She was murdered by the brawler Lt. (very lucky on my part). The kaplans connected my center/right antenna and held a commanding view of that flank. The Yuan yuan came in from that side, but were shut down by my fugazi/pathfinder. (One was blinded, one was killed coming in - another died on its next activation).

    Top of 3

    This was the big turn. I had a lead, but could easily blow it with wasted order expenditure or foolish play. I started by using the LGL to spec-fire the kaplan, who had another two crit dodges, but one was isolated. Valeriya repositioned to cover any further advance to my half of the table.

    Finally, the hunzakut on my far/left started her attack. She moved in to the far/middle and shot at the sniper kaplan, who tanked the shot, but missed his. This happened 3 times, and the hunzakut was killed on the 4th. This was super important though. If the hunzakut survived, that meant she could connect another far antenna and give me to 3-in-a-rows with two far antennas. By shooting with her shotgun, she was also able to lay down templates when hitting. On my third shot, the impact template killed the doctor kaplan behind the sniper. This put the nail in the coffin, as my opponent had no more specialists and the game was effectively over.



    I LOVE THIS LIST. It can do just about everything.

    But I need to start practicing with another druze list. What do you think I should run to complement this double sniper list? I'm prepping for Tic-Tac-Toe, The Armory, and Firefight. Any thoughts are welcome, and I love feedback! (Or let me know if I should start a new thread on this topic).
     
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  6. McNamara

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    Cool report, glad your doing good with the double Sniper list.

    As an alternativ list Scarface is the obvious choice, he is pretty unique to DBS. I don't have much experience with him either though, so I have no detailed tips for you, I'am afraid.
     
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    Thanks @McNamara!
    I've actually played with Scarface quite a bit, and really like running him. I've basically been hovering between 3 ideas right now:

    1. Scarface list: I've ran it, won with it, and enjoyed it.I also think it could use some work before it's really competitive. (And I'm uncomfortable without a visor).

    Core Sniper
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Shock Marksman Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    DRUZE (CH: Mimetism) MULTI Sniper / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    CLIPPER DRONBOT Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    VALERYA GROMOZ Hacker (Hacking Device UPGRADE: Expel) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    SCARFACE & CORDELIA TURNER . (1.5 | 74)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE 2 Mk12, Heavy Rocket Launcher / AP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. ()
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
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    2. A list running mostly Druze, in a (maybe futile) attempt to maximize Forward Deploy L1 for ITS 10. I can see this being decent in the Armory, but it has a few problems. Three Specialists can get rough. I usually use the Heavy Shotgun Peacemaker, because its awesome. Though deploying forward, Druze are fairly slow. This hasn't ever been a major issue though. I'd love some thoughts on this style of list.

    Forward Deploy
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    ARSLAN Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Light Shotgun / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    DRUZE (CH: Mimetism) MULTI Sniper / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    DRUZE HMG, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Shock Marksman Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    ARMAND (Multispectral Visor L1) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonel Mines / 2 Breaker Pistols, Shock CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 45)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    SAITO TOGAN (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW, Knife. (0 | 40)
    PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    5 SWC | 300 Points
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    3. Double TAG. I've ran this as well, and won with it a couple of times, but I'm not generally a fan of LI. I also hesitate before running the Anaconda. It ain't got none. (I actually like the Anaconda, but its usually hard to justify (imo) compared to scarface.

    LI Baddies
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    ANACONDA HMG + Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / CCW. (2 | 64)
    [​IMG] OPERATOR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (- | 0)
    SCARFACE & CORDELIA TURNER . (1.5 | 74)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE 2 Mk12, Heavy Rocket Launcher / AP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
    [​IMG] SCARFACE Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. ()
    [​IMG] CORDELIA TURNER Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Shock Marksman Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
    Open in Infinity Army


    Well? Anyone have opinions? I'm prepping for Tic-Tac-Toe, The Armory, and Firefight. Any thoughts are welcome, and I love feedback! (Or let me know if I should start a new thread on this topic).
     
  8. McNamara

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    I like the Forward Deployment list. It's LI though so unless that's a hard requirement you might not get that much benefit out of it compared to the first Scarface list or the double Sniper.

    Edit: Tried to move more Orders in the Letter Muet list:
    [​IMG] Druze Bayram Security
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] DRUZE (CH: Mimetism) MULTI Sniper / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    [​IMG] CLIPPER DRONBOT Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    [​IMG] VALERYA GROMOZ Hacker (Hacking Device UPGRADE: Expel) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] SAITO TOGAN (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW, Knife. (0 | 40)
    [​IMG] ARMAND Minelayer MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonel Mines / 2 Breaker Pistols, Shock CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 42)
    [​IMG] PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    I am not 100% convenienced by it yet.

    Just got another idea, maybe like this:

    [​IMG] Druze Bayram Security
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] CLIPPER DRONBOT Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    [​IMG] BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] VALERYA GROMOZ Hacker (Hacking Device UPGRADE: Expel) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    [​IMG] SAITO TOGAN (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW, Knife. (0 | 40)
    [​IMG] ARMAND Minelayer MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonel Mines / 2 Breaker Pistols, Shock CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 42)
    [​IMG] HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] HUNZAKUT (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)

    5.5 SWC | 298 Points

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  9. oldGregg

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    I think these lists do just fine. (I've ran them or something similar with successes). I'm kind of looking to run something a bit different though. I've also been being pulled towards Arslan a bit. I like his profile, but his points usually throw my lists out of wack.

    Completely agree that LI can really put a kink in DBS if it isn't done right, so I'm at an impasse.