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Yu Jing in N4

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by psychoticstorm, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Janzerker

    Janzerker Invincible Angry

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    Theories based on common observation and which latest 2019 ITS data finally supports as a fact. Pretty much the Red Fury Mowang profile is the only playable profile. And the Multi Rifle not only isn't played but also performs terrible.
     
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  2. ObviousGray

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    Where can I look at those data? I'm dang curious.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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  4. Janzerker

    Janzerker Invincible Angry

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    Check this excel spreadsheet. Contains each unit's profile pick rates classified by armies, making disitinction between generic and sectorial and also features a column with the Win / Loss ratio showing how meaningful was the performance of that unit profile when chosen.

    [Profile Pickrate]
     
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  5. ObviousGray

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    Now that's interesting. Thanks guys.

    Wow dat Daofei hacker does a good performance
     
  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Well, with only 2.5% pick rate, Daofei AHD's data is a bit dubious, same goes for most Daofei profiles. The data is sifted from tournaments and the win-loss rate can not be filtered by whether the list containing the unit was used.

    Remember to take anything with low pick rate with a pinch of salt, uncertainty whether list was used together with a higher impact of random number generator causes issues.
    For units with extreme pick rate (Kuang Shi and their obligatory CG KSCD) will also have to be viewed with care as they will share a LOT of win losses without necessarily contributing.
     
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  7. Section9

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    Give it a nice LGL, with EM, Smoke, and Frag grenades for good measure. The Wu Ming MultiLGL is my favorite unit!
     
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  8. Space Ranger

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    I'm with you! When I played ISS and now Ikari, the WM Multi-LGL is the first thing i pick. So versatile it can go up against almost anything.
     
  9. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I sure hope N4 tidies up the Miranda Ashcroft Hunting party, by deleting it and replacing it with the Dashat registered Miranda.
     
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  10. Weathercock

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    I hope N4 tidies up Dashat by deleting it.
     
  11. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Mmm.
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  12. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Damn right, fucking disgraceful enough that they gave Ikari AVA 5 Wu Ming, and capped it off by giving them a zero SWC haris option on the best profile. Then they went and gave Dashit Rui Shi in their Zuyong link. Disgusting!
     
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  13. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    This complaint seems to be literally just "I'm mad that someone else gets nice things". Unless you're engaging in hyperbole for comedic effect, in which case: I'm sorry, the internet has ruined me, and I thought you were serious.
     
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  14. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Can't it be both?
     
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    As for me I did got pissed at Dashat cherrypicking good options from IA. Isnt that a lil bit harsh for a newborn sectorial waited by whole YJ fandom? :v



    Oh, except Hulang. He's a disappointment.
     
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  16. RobertShepherd

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    I guess I don't really see it. If Dashat had been born with a Daoying and Mowang, I think I'd be in your corner.
     
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    Welp my focus was on Zhencha SMG mainly, along with cheaper Zuyong link backed up by TA/BH fodders. Why do you think TA on dashat is not a big deal? Could broaden my horizon by your opinion.
     
  18. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I'm mostly annoyed that 2 very good Yu Jing units can link outside of Yu Jing but not inside of Yu Jing. Rui Shi has been my Waifu for years.
     
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  19. RobertShepherd

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    So my perspective is chiefly that it isn't a zero-sum game. I think it's totally ok that Dashat gets good things, because those don't come at the cost of someone else also having good things. Dashat being able to make good use of some specific Yu Jing elements as part of it's role as a Yu Jing / Haqq hybrid mercenary company doesn't diminish Yu Jing in any way; the designers didn't cut elements fro YJ because of some rule of exclusivity.

    If one faction were just Yu Jing but better, that'd be a different question. But Dashat isn't YJ but better - it's got some significant and notable weaknesses, and while I like it as an army, I think it's both less flexible and overall slightly less powerful than vanilla YJ. The Daoying and Mowang are the signature units of modern YJ for me, and I think it would have taken their presence in Dashat to run the risk of it being 'YJ, but better' (in much the same way that it would have been 'Haqq, but better' if the designers had all dropped acid the night before release and come to the next morning having added Mutts to the army).
     
  20. RobertShepherd

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    Linked Rui Shi are significantly overrated. I don't mind it in a cute little haris of Zhuyong + Gromoz + Rui Shi, but you're not actually maximising its potential by running it in a core. This might change if they clean up ZOC ARO manipulation in N4.

    As is, the Daoying and other supporting elements, especially including Shaolin Monks, make Rui Shi stronger in vanilla YJ than in Dashat by a small but non-negligible margin.
     
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