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Why not just play Ikari?

Discussion in 'Druze Bayram Security' started by the huanglong, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. jfunkd

    jfunkd Rebel Myrmidon Graffiti Artist
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    Why do you say that?

    If DBS has the units it needs to win matches, why does more flexibility matter? It's nice not to be predictable, but DBS has just barely enough flexibility to be unpredictable. Yeah it doesn't have as many units as ikari, but the ones it does have work very well together.
     
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  2. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    upload_2018-3-23_15-4-29.png

    Maybe Army is wrong?
     
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  3. Shoitaan

    Shoitaan Well-Known Member

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    To me there's two key ways of looking at it the comparative list building between DBS and Ikari: Flexibile vs Dynamic.
    Ikari is flexible in it's list building. Lots of different options, you sort out what suits you then you make your list. Then you go play. You have a strong fireteam on the field the composition and strategy of which is probably going to be clear the moment your opponent sees your model (dat Tanko ML...)

    DBS is far less flexible with a smaller roster. Ok yes, but! DBS makes up for it by being Dynamic. Your Druze link can have Druze, DBS exclusive Druze, Clipper, Arslan, Brawlers, Dromoz. You build in intentional redundancies into your list and can more easily swap to a more efficient fireteam during deployment. You can also better refill/change around your fireteam with the redundancies you've built in before (provided their withing 8" of the rest of the link). The link also overall has very strong synergies with the other extras DBS has, namely the Hunzakut which gives you more tactical options if a straight up firefight with a particularly hard target isn't going to quite workout for whatever reason.

    Much more reactive and dynamic than Ikari lists IMO.
     
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  4. jfunkd

    jfunkd Rebel Myrmidon Graffiti Artist
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    @the huanglong The Paramedic, harris, and LT option are marked too. If army builder is wrong then Ikari has very few options to be a Lt.
     
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  5. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I hope so, neither a brawler nor a keisotsu is particularly good at dodging grenades, even at SSL2. Soft buff to PianO in the new Ikari meta.
     
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    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    And of course Ikari, who get the 5 man linked Wu Ming LGL powered by keisotsu spam. Sigh.
     
  7. jfunkd

    jfunkd Rebel Myrmidon Graffiti Artist
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    Total Keisotsu AVA in Ikari versus AVA 5 in JSA is really weird. I mean, it's got to be a mistake, right?!
     
  8. Q.A.I.

    Q.A.I. Well-Known Member

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    Tbh I went to the tanko profile and it doesnt have the keisotsu special listing, so I forgot about it. Yeah, that's a hell of an option
     
  9. paraelix

    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    Posted a query in the Ikari page - the links all look like they have hard numbers on composition - for example, 4 Wu Ming + 1 Clipper. So, if the Clipper dies as leader, you would not be able to reform the link... You could only make 2 Wu Ming Duos or, if you had the forethought and paid the SWC tax, a Wu Ming Haris from the survivors.
     
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    jfunkd Rebel Myrmidon Graffiti Artist
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    A special Fireteam is just that, special. The skill Fireteam: Core allows Wu Ming to form a fireteam of 2, 3, 4, or 5 members of Wu Ming.

    Below is the relevant excerpt from the Fireteam: core rule... which each Wu Ming has.

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    • Fireteam: Core allows players to compose Fireteams of two, three, four, or five members.
    • This Type of Fireteam allows players to apply the two, three, four, or five member Fireteam bonuses, depending on how many members it has.
    • A Fireteam: Core is identified by the Team Leader Marker (F: TEAM LEADER).
     
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  11. paraelix

    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at the profile PDF they released today and Wu Ming have Haris and Special* link options. No Core Fireteam. The Special Core Fireteam has a requirement of 4 Wu Ming + 1 Clipper.

    Keisotsu are the only unit type with Fireteam Core in the Ikari AVA sheet.
     
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    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    I apologize, I understand now seeing that.

    Is Army builder really this off from the PDF? Wow, hopefully this gets cleaned up fast.
     
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    PDF is also AVA5 Keisotsu in Ikari vs Total in JSA ;)
     
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  15. Szpet

    Szpet Robot after all

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    Btw. there are couple of profiles in Druze which are unique to them, yet they are in Ikari when checked on army, must be a bug.
    Druze unique profiles according to pdf:
    - Saito Togan specialist
    - Druze Haris
    - Druze Mimetism Sniper
    - Druze Paramedic (xD)
    - Scarface with HRL

    I hope they will add something soon, we could use more mercs :)
     
  16. Thranriel

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    My problem with this is that Ikari's Druze are listed as having Haris in the PDF, so they are probably going to have to keep the haris profile.

    I think it's way more likely that the profiles at the front of the pdf just didn't get updated and before they were unique to druze but now they are not.
     
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  19. Varsovian

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    Hmm. "Why not just play Ikari"?

    I actually wanted to ask this question from the fluff side of things. I mean, with Ikari being around, what's the appeal of DBS? Ikari now fill the "horribly ruthless mercenary company" niche. So, what's the appeal of DBS now?

    Also, based on the write-up in HSN3, Druze seemed like an interesting blend of a megacorp and an underworld organisation. But now, the description they got in the recent article over at the Infinity webpage make them look like an ordinary criminal organization? And in the Outrage manga, they are just a gang...
     
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  20. ijw

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    The Druze Bayram Security list is what happened after the events of Outrage, with the Druze Society badly damaged and having to rebuild themselves as a viable force under Arslan's leadership. And they're still much much nastier in the background than Ikari Company.
     
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