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Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Arkhos94, Feb 4, 2019.

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  1. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    A decent issue that that thread raises is "So what do you have to reveal when a camo'd Sensor prevents recamouflage? Do you have to identify the camo marker that prevented it (it stays a camo marker), or just say that it was prevented?" It has the potential to get really awkward, since you may or may not have had to double check that the camo marker was within ZoC to prevent it.
    "Hold on a sec, I need to measure to see whether this camo marker is within ZoC for no particular reason... And your recamo fails."
    With bonus rules question points because Sensor is labeled as Optional, so are you supposed to have the option of opting out (don't measure or check) if you don't want to give away that your camo'd Sensor trooper is there?
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    ZoC measuring will always be a matter of best judgement whether it needs to be checked or if it's clearly outside of range, and yes this may reveal your trooper's secret identity without managing to deny the re-camo attempt.

    As Solkan points out, Sensor is Optional and when reading Camouflage and Sensor, it's clear that the re-camo denial is an effect of the Sensor skill and can thus be waived prior to measuring if you don't want to give your opponent any information.
     
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    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah that's the same question
     
  4. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Not really. Even the issue @solkan points out seems to fall in line fairly well with already established rules. You measure to see if someone skirting your mine is actually within the trigger area, which effectively reveals the fact that you have a mine even if they end up being outside the trigger area after measuring.
     
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    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    The only sane way to measure ZOC is that at Resolution the ZOC of all active Troopers can always be measured if either player desires it.
     
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  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    That is one mechanic to use for it, very Warmahordes 2nd Ed (if everyone was a 'caster), but I wouldn't go so far as suggest that it's part of the rules since it's clearly not allowed under the current version of the rules.
     
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  7. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    If a mine is behind a waist-high barrier from a trooper with a direct template weapon, and said trooper successfully performs an Intuitive Attack on the mine, what happens? Does it make an armor roll (and thus reveal itself)? Nothing? Something stranger?

    When troopers move through each other, do they "vault" or simply phase through each other?

    When are mines removed? The rules say "after triggering" but when is this, explicitly? Immediately? At the end of an order?

    Can the hacking program Goodnight be used on a posthuman (who has Remote Presence) in NWI state? Ditto for Su Jians in NWI and Karakuris in Dogged.
     
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  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    As answered by IJW previously; no, you just inform your opponent that the trooper or device behind the Camo token is not S2, because the camouflage marker doesn't have any stats.
    Since the rules for moving through friendly troops never mention vaulting, you clearly do not vault over them.
    While this is hardly ever relevant (so why spend too much time on it), I'd say that yes it's explicit that it is removed as a direct and immediate consequence of triggering.
    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/in-extremis-recovery.26574/#post-198589
    And yes, it sucks.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    During an Impetuous Order;
    Q: Can an Impetuous Trooper choose to move towards a target that is equal amount of orders, but further away?
    Q: Can an impetuous Trooper choose to move towards a target with a sub-optimal expenditure of orders (dismount from bike)?
    Q: Can an Impetuous Trooper freely choose which type of movement order from the list of legal orders e.g. in order to avoid having to take fall damage?
    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/impetuous-move-direction-questions.27092/
    (More links to related questions in Solkan's answer to that thread)
     
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  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    @Mahtamori be that as it may, still worth getting official clarification. The "vaulting through models" is a mistake I've encountered in multiple metas, usually alongside people who insist that it's silhouette height and not silhouette attribute that determines who can move through who.
     
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  11. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Updated with :
    - CC when attacked from the back
    - impetuous movement questions
     
  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Regarding moving through friendlies: what makes you think they'll read the FAQ if they don't read the rulebook?
     
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    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    They claim there's ambiguity (troopers vault over "obstacles" and obstacles isn't defined in the rules) and removing that ambiguity would set them straight, I think.

    The reason I think it's FAQ worthy is I've encountered it in multiple metas, on opposite sides of the US. Clearly something is driving people towards that interpretation, whatever it is, and it'd be good to get it cleared up.
     
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    toadchild Premeasure

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    @Arkhos94, can you add another question about impetuous? In a recent thread @solkan put forth a good theory that while jumping may be mandatory sometimes for Impetuous moves, you only count it if you can actually land on the ground - falling does not create a “path” that impetuous can follow. This fixes some of the issues with impetuous troops suicidally leaping off of buildings instead of using the stairs.

    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/impetuous-move-direction-questions.27092/#post-210603
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a common mistake to make, because it's intuitive to have one rule for all types of movement and leaping over your friendly four-legged REM is also intuitive, but simply reading the rules a second time solves it so I don't think an FAQ entry changes anything.

    Edit: I mean, we are both aware this FAQ is answering the frequently asked questions, but instead aims at the difficult ones.
     
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  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I dunno @Alphz what do you think would solve it for your playgroup?
     
  17. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    The only issue we have is the commonly mistaken height vs attribute which as mahtamori points out, could be solved with a decent second read if the game was hinging on it. It falls into the "nice to be clarified" but ultimately not that big a deal.
     
  18. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    A reason why height vs attribute is a mess is because in English it is attribute, in Spanish it is height.
     
  19. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    It's based on the Attribute/Atributo in both languages.

    By the way, allied troopers, and only allied, whose Silhouette Attribute be equal or inferior to the trooper's Silhouette Attribute does not block his Movement.

    Del mismo modo, las tropas aliadas, y sólo las aliadas, con un Atributo de Silueta igual o inferior al Atributo de Silueta de la otra tropa tampoco obstaculizan su Movimiento.
     
  20. Durian Khaar

    Durian Khaar It's clubbering time...
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    This is interesting and a bit confusing because:
    A Silhouette 3 Remote can pass a S2 Human-sized Unit, but not the other way round. On the other hand, a S3 Scenery Object (most Objectives) is smaller than the S2 Silhouette and can be passed over by a S2 Unit
     
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