Celestial Guard Monitor have FT master(Kuang Shi) and FT master makes everyone in the fireteam regular. So if you link CG Monitor with Dragon Lord in CG fireteam, you get another regular order. Whether CG Monitor can link in CG fireteam or not remains questionable, but I don’t think anything prevents that.
Nope only the troops in parenthesis. (Kuang Shi). Plus, the Dragon Lord can only be a part of a CG fireteam. NOT a Kuang Shi team. The CG with SGL in under Celestials does not have the skill. Also, it's a useless skill since KS are already regular.
Frankly I do not understand what you expected and why you feel this is bad? its 5 points! for a stealth specialist operative with nanopulser!
I guess they saved the best for last. The Vanguard, Shenji, and Jinwei look good. Nothing broken lol. I still wish YJ would someday get something like a bear, norkias, or chimera that is so broken in eventually needs nerfing. Vanguard Elite MI with ALL of them specialists. Parachutists or Hidden Deploy Infiltrators. Hackers and FO. You will never know where these guys are going to be. They either already hidden in the mid-field or coming on from a side. Maybe both! The hackers have good WIP with great BTS! My favorite is the 26pt Parachutist hacker with firewall -3. Next the FO infiltrator. Shenji Wow! Finally some good cheap specialists. Almost our own version of Doctor +. We have Engineer on 14 instead of their WIP of 13. Pretty cool! Veteran MI Engineers too. AP Thunderbolts and Turrets with E/Mitter or ADHR are fantastic. They count as Hsien but can wildcard into anything. And stronger D-Charges are really cool. My only disappointment is AVA2. Jinwei Kind of what I thought. A cheap HI. However, this is a Remote HI like Beta troops. So they can go into double unconscious. +1 B on all of them is great. That’s including an E/Mitter with Triangulated Fire! Then a Tinbot -3 that’s going to be a great support for your Celestial hacker. Since the Shenji is a wildcard, they can go into the team and fix Jinwei as needed. So, I love the Vanguard and Koga, like the Shenji, Jinwei. Ambivalent on Jinyao, meh on the Bayara and Dragon Lord. There’s nothing I actively dislike of the new troops. Some of the old troops however... Overall, I’m more positive. I was feeling a bit let down by the Bayara and Dragon Lord but the rest made up for it. Now it’s time to start making some lists. While individually some of the new stuff is not amazing, they might be that when in a fireteam or in tandem with other stuff. I’m also relieved we still get 2 Haris! I’m a little disappointed the Pheasant is the ONLY doctor. But that’s one more engineer than we had. At least we no longer loose are doctor and engineer in one go. Pretty much the nail is the coffin for Kanren. I don’t see any reason to take them over Vanguard, Koga, or Ninja. I’m actually sad about that because I used to like them. #bringbackholoprojectorkanren.
I don't feel bad. Just let down a bit. The story didn't make them out to be a slightly upgraded warcore. I can't complain because it’s better than just being a HVT. I will take it if I happen to have 5pts and can't upgrade something just like I would for a 3pt warcore.
No, the rule says "all the members" are regular. Parenthesis is for "cancelling the fireteam". So what you need is put your monitor into CG fireteam, not Kuang Shi team. If they didn't want this interaction, they would have changed the name of Celestial Guard Monitor.
It is a "celestial guard monitor" and not a "celestial guard" so they cannot join a celestial guard fireteam.
So that is where I think FAQ is needed. Is “celestial guard monitor” not a “celestial guard”? One can argue they are “celestial guard” as their name is “celestial guard monitor”. Bulletpoint 5. of Fireteams chart says about FTO, but nothing about “monitor”. If a Unit name is listed in brackets after this Special Skill in the Trooper's Unit Profile, and the Trooper's Fireteam contains any members belonging to that Unit, the Fireteam is automatically canceled if the FT Master Trooper is no longer in the Fireteam Does this say anything about the trooper to be regular or not? All it says is about cancelling fireteam when FT master leaves, not making a trooper regular or not. EDIT: #199 A link to old discussion about this. EDIT2: ZHANSHI and Zhanshi YiSheng might be a similar case here? But Zhanshi YiSheng are ava1 in all sectorial they are in and they count as Zhanshis. However, it still doesn’t clarify the Celestial Guard Monitor case.
I think the intent was not to be able to mix the Celestial Guard Monitor into a regular Celestial fireteam. It says Monitor. When in doubt do what is NOT to your advantage. I agree that this needs more clarity. Why do they have it in the first place? KS are already regular. It could even be a mistake.
I forgot. There was a change to Sun Tze. There’s now a +1 Lt. order version. Meaning he can give two regular orders to his group with Stratego. I’m still not positive the point cost is worth it but I’ll try it someday. It applies to vanilla as well.
It’s not my advantage, I play PanO . For the FT master on Celestial Guard Monitor, it’s there instead of the fireteam note on Kuang Shi Fireteam, “The fireteam is automatically cancelled~leaves the Fireteam”. But somehow, the fireteam note is still there, maybe a reminder purpose, like immunity(shock) on 2W troopers.
I now think the FT Master is purely there to indicate if the Celestial Guard Monitor is no longer in the fireteam, the whole team is canceled without them. Even though it says in the browser version of Army, it’s different on the App.
Some interesting minor changes to fireteams. Cranes are no longer Wildcards. Kuang Shi are minimum 2 in a fireteam and can only be a core We did retain the ability to do 2 Haris teams though which I think is handy in N5
The 2 Lt orders don't count as regular orders at the order count step but can be spent as regular orders during the turn so maybe a list with 10 regular orders and a Sun Tze with Lt+1 order? although he has counterintelligence anyway?
Been playing around with celestial guard fireteam comp and it makes them more interesting being able to add 2 Jinwei into the mix plus other wild card options.
Yup. This going to be a regular thing for me I think. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 5 CELESTIAL GUARD (Hacker, Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, Light Riotstopper ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 14) CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 13) CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 13) JÌNWÈI (Triangulated Fire) E/Mitter, Heavy Riotstopper / Heavy Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 23) JÌNWÈI Adhesive Launcher Rifle, Heavy Riotstopper ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / Heavy Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 19) 1.5 SWC | 82 Points Open in Infinity Army
Jinwei and Shenji counting as Hsien is pretty amazing. The Hsien will now get +3 to discover rolls with his MSV2 and Dodge on 15. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 3 HSIEN Heavy Machine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon(PS=6). (1.5 | 49) SHÉNJI Combi Rifle, Akrylat-Kanone, D-Charges(PS=5), Armed Turret(+1B, Ad. Launcher Rifle) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 21) JÌNWÈI Adhesive Launcher Rifle, Heavy Riotstopper ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / Heavy Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 19) 1.5 SWC | 89 Points Open in Infinity Army
It's fun's mixing in shenji also even though he doesn't count as a guard. Plus the (Zhian) Haris options are fun too.
I agree. This team didn't get the full bonus before and now it's +6 for Bao discover. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 3 BÀO TROOP MULTI Sniper Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 27) BÀO TROOP Light Shotgun, Heavy Riotstopper, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16) PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, E/Mitter, Madtraps / Breaker Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 23) 1.5 SWC | 66 Points Open in Infinity Army This could be interesting. The Zhanying has sixth sense natively. But he also gets then the +3 discover and +1 dodge and +1 SD on the HMG. One sees through smoke, the other hits the Albedo guys or through white noise. ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 3 BÀO TROOP MULTI Sniper Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 27) ZHÀNYING Heavy Machine Gun / Boarding Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 26) PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, E/Mitter, Madtraps / Breaker Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 23) 2.5 SWC | 76 Points Open in Infinity Army
