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Minotaurs Out-Of-Character Thread

Discussion in 'RPG' started by stevenart74, May 13, 2018.

  1. Nuada Airgetlam

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    Nvm, my bad, you can gain points actually later on.
     
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  2. stevenart74

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    @Ashen_Seeker . . .

    Even better! An ex-khawarji Medic!! An EXCELLENT character for the group!!!

    "Red Turbans" are ALSO Imam-Level "Shaiks" (or "Person Well Versed in the Al'Quran"); there is NO need to "Force The Issue", unless is AMUSING for You to play it so (so You will NOT be required to spout a "Shura" citation EVERY time the situation is dire). . .

    @Nuada Airgetlam . . .

    Did You manage to think about a Tohaa Character that is amusing for You to Play??

    REMEMBER, that while Ashen's Character will be a PERFECT Medic, some "Biotech Paramedic" Skills for Yours would be invaulable too. . .

    @inane.imp . . .

    Your character could potentially be VERY well-rounded to offer many possible support to the other Characters, especially as it will be needed JUST to have the "Right" Drone for the Job (also = 1 Big Armoured one for "Frontline Assaults" / 2 different "Light Recon" models / 3 ultralight "Minispiders" for Utility Missions and so on). . .

    Other issues could be discussed as needed. . .!!

    @Golem2God . . .

    Do You manage to think about Your Character. . .??

    Are you still considering the "Liberto / Independent Helot". . . . .???
     
  3. Ashen_Seeker

    Ashen_Seeker Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I was imagining it as an orphan (the demogrant and regimented are the result of having lost his parents because of the youth event), who was sent to the desert to a pilgrimage/study by his mentor, save the person who will take him under his wing, became a doctor(can only do good thinghs, right? he was very naive).
    Then the old mentor, probably envious of the new patron, helps him getting into high-end/secret/military medical research.
    Such was his talent that (choices):
    - the mentor(who works for the assassins?) "convinced" him becoming a Khawarij to help in the black-ops. He was fired for disobeying the order of a superior and helping wounded enemy civilians during a raid gone wrong. He got recruited into the Minotaurs thanks to the interventions of both his mentor and patron(who have influence into the merc company);
    - during a research on some kind of officially banned experiment/procedure, he was exposed to some kind of substance that had a similar effect of the Runihura. This led, after his recovering, to be banished from Buorak and being recruited into the Minotaur Brigade to further Haqqislam's interests.

    The Khawarij and renegade part was inspired by your post earlier.
     
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  4. Nuada Airgetlam

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    @stevenart74
    I've managed to get through the character creation process, like you told me in the PM, trying to make a good starting point for further adjustment / brainstorming. The core idea is one of the original "new Tohaa allies of the Human Sphere" as per fluff, who arrived to help humanity in fighting the EI / Shas. He's been specifically trained as a special forces / void combat specialist kinda guy, proper military lifestyle, had quite a lot of experience in this, but then the most recent events happened, main Tohaa forces withdrew and it turned out his handlers weren't there anymore. So he started drifting through the human society, taking odd mercenary jobs here and there, picking up more human languages than the initial English he quickly learned and became really interested in the excess variety of human culture, especially the stark difference between the Triad social unit of the Tohaa and human individualism.

    Still, he's a soldier first and foremost, a kind of a tough combat medic. His extreme resilience to biotech weapons and environments was an asset, he could've gone places and fought forces others could not. He ended up with the Minotaurs mostly because he's become intrigued by the idea of "righteous ownership" of Tesseum. Such a human idea. But, they also pay well.

    Here's the character sheet. The only thing I've skipped was the Earnings because I lost track of what it should be, I had no life events altering it, so basically just beginning and career should give me 6+N, but I'm not sure if that's right.

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DVyq1SjtLoyTy4hJGAlDmRvExzTCtDJd
     
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  5. stevenart74

    stevenart74 Well-Known Member

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    Seems legit and good to Me; a good compromise between "Field Paramedic" and a "Soldier". . .

    Will check everything and calculate about the various variables. . .
     
  6. Nuada Airgetlam

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    I noticed I'm missing one more "any Skill" talent. I'll pick something and update the character.
     
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  7. Golem2God

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    Still undecided. Looking into possibilities.
     
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  8. Nuada Airgetlam

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    Done, picked the "Field Dressing" Medicine Talent, works well for his intended role and gives space for development with XP.

    I'm supposed to have a "Medium Armour set" from the military training path. I thought that for a SpecOps character the Sukeul variant of a Symbiont could be great. Give him the equivalence of Mimetism, Stealth, Multiterrain. Maybe an unjammable comms set ("Veteran L1") of some Tohaa biotech origin? Willpower / Discipline bonus ("V: Courage")?

    Nothing broken, but a decisive shape for his combat ability.
     
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  9. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    There's a couple of Symbiont Armours in the core book. Pp 342-343 of the Core Book.

    Adding ODD / Chameleonware onto that would get what you want.

    Stealth and Multiterrain are largely achieved by the Stealth and Athletics skills. If you wanted an armour that could buff them you could add an Expert system (well 2 separate ones).

    The Sakiel Symbiote armour already functionally adds a Courage effect while wearing it.

    The rules for all those mods already exist in the Core rulebook and the Armour rules already provide, albeit poorly defined, scope for customising armour.

    The problem, as I see it, with all if that is it raises the combat power of our little group significantly. The easiest solution is a straight swap of your Medium Armour for Sakiel Armour. It'll work *very* well for what you want, but is a little less high powered.

    I'm jumping in before Steven answers because one of the issues with the previous attempt at this was balancing all the weird and wonderful ideas took a lot of effort so we never really got going with the story. My distinct preference is to play a simpler and more 'off the shelf' game.

    Using our Assets to purchase any upgrades we want (using the system I linked) allows us the freedom to customise our characters a little without going overboard. The Infinity RPG already has A LOT of subtly different options.
     
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  10. Nuada Airgetlam

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    Done, applied the Sakiel, thanks! :)
     
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  11. Golem2God

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    I hope that CB & Modiphus get the rest of the faction books & character generator up soon. That way we won't have to custom rule species or careers when creating our PC's.
     
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  12. stevenart74

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    Good Morning (for Me is 08.30 of the Morning in My timezone now. . .) to all. . .!!

    I have a VERY complicate Day facing Me (issue with Banking, Heritage Taxes, Virtual Currency on ONE part; ON OTHER need a check for the Platelets in My bloodstream because I have to know if I can donate "Blood Plasm" as My country severely need "Topping" of the Bloodbanks) , so I will drop some hints that could be discussed freely. . .

    . . . . .

    @inane.imp . . .

    You are right to "Fear" that too much "Monty Haul" would ruin the Gamebalance from the start, and "Money" (in reality "Mission Allowance" by the Mercs Quartermasters PRIOR a Mission) spent equally between Player Characters will avoid and assuage that. . .

    Problem is that the RANDOMIC% of the Acquisition Rolls is perhaps the WORST Rule of Infinity RPG one that I utterly DESPISE (ruined for Me ALL THE GAMES based in WH40K universe of GW, after "Dark Heresy" that had BLESSED "Buy with Value" stuff). . .

    From the first days of the Inception of Infinity some enterprising Players had defined a "$ Buy Value" for ALL the Equipement, to avoid the PRECISE issue that BAD % Acquisition Roll would NEED further "Balance Time" for the Gamemaster to "Fine-Tune" between Player Characters. . .

    I will have to check if the HANDMADE Rules equates with the ones that You propose (have to check ALL the Manuals; SURELY there is some clever solution that I did not read !!!). . .

    . . . . .

    Basically it will boils down to Players having a fixed "Mission Acquisition Budget" of (let's say "10.000" purely hypothethical) "Minotaurs Teseum Coins" (low alloy of Teseum minted in New Knossos Island, plated in Fake Gold = THE VERY SYMBOL THAT I MADE for My Avatar !!!) to "buy" weapons, munitions (either LIMITED Reloads or rather "Enough Clips" to turn Your Spitfire in a "T2 Spitfire" or Your "Vintage" Assault Rifle into an AP Rifle), first aid kits, combat drugs, consumables and so on. . .

    . . . . .

    Have to check MANY things to see if this is anyway possible. . .

    As a VERY rough "Rule of Thumb" ANY of You could scour the Web for the OLD "Cyberpunk2020" Rules (that 20 Years ago created the Infinity Universe for a "Custom Crossover" of Starwars+Cyberpunk for Gutier Lusquinos and the other "Core Corvus Belli" of Spain). . .

    1 "Eurobuck" (E$ or "Euro-Dollar" the value o credit in Infinity) would equate to a SINGLE "Minotaur Coin". . .

    IMPORTANT CHECK:

    In infinity and Cyberpunk normal "Full-Metal Jacket" Ammunitions (Lead Core with a thin film of Brass coating) of the "Parabellum" quality are "A Dime & Dozen" ranging to 9mm. (Handgun Cartridge) to 5,56mm. (Modern NATO Assault Rifle cartridge) = they will have a "x 1" Value Multiplier. . .

    VERY ROUGHLY Personal Ammo "Cartridge Boxes" had more-or-less a cost of 100 E$ x 100 Bullets (ranging from 6mm. / 22LR. of the "Skorpion" Russian Light Machine Pistol to the extreme of 7,62mm. Rifle Cartridge for AK47 / H&KG3 / FNFAL / IMI Galil R4 "Heavy Battle Rifles"). . .

    Armor Piercing Ammo had a mere "x2" Multiplier of cost; in Cyberpunk CUT the "Armor Value" of a "Kevlar Jacket" in HALF, but ALSO halved the Damage of "Flesh Wounds"; I have to check if this EQUATES to Infinity AP Ammo. . .

    T2 or other "Hyper Nasty Bullets" could be equate to the devastating "APEX" Ammo (Armoe-Piercing-high-EXplosive rounds) that PERFORATED light "Soft" Armours (Kevlar Shirts & Flak-Jackets) and THEN detonated inside the flesh; they had "X5" multipliers of cost. . .

    . . . . .

    "Viral Ammo" (comprising the VERY useful "Silver Bullets" to cope, in Ariadna, with Regenerating "Antipode Alphas" and raging Dogwarriors) are a little more difficult to check; will equate them to 30mm. / 40mm. "Grenade Launcher Ammo" of the Electromagnetic kind (EMP Ammo were the "Nonlethal Subduing" Ammo of Cyberpunk, perfect to NOT kill even a Military-Grade "Full-Conversion Cyborg" AKA, in Infinity, Myrmydon Lhost / Achilles Oplythe / Mark 4 Proxy bodies !!). . .

    . . . . .

    THOSE ARE ROUGH ESTIMATIONS made to give You all time to peruse and ELABORATE Your own ideas about it. . .

    . . . . .

    I want to reiterate that as a Gamemaster I DO NOT WANT to impose My ideas on Players; my 100% Aim is to Enjoy miself telling a Story that is DICTATED by the Decisions of YOUR PLAYER CHARACTERS, that are amusing themselves in a shared "Narration World". . .!!

    . . . . .

    Whatever will be the consensus of the Players I will TRY to strive My best to follow it. . . . .!!!
     
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  13. stevenart74

    stevenart74 Well-Known Member

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    And now some "Persona Ruminations" about ANY of You. . .

    @Golem2God . . .

    It seems to Me that the "Navy S.E.A.L.S." Helot Liberto-Idea is NOT what You think is amusing to play. . .

    based on what we discussed in our many PM. . .

    What about a Wulver Lady Warrior??

    NOT a "Frothing Berserker" swinging a Teseum Claymore (quite banal, trite Archetype from the Wargame) but rather a "Wilderness Scout & Local Guide" decisively VITAL for the other Characters that are YES very powerful Elites, ranging from all corners of the Human Sphere & Beyond, BUT are NOT accustomed to Ariadnan Wilderness. . .!!

    An Teseum Hatchet & Caledonian Dirk (both good for Throwing) could be far more apt as Melee Weapons. . .

    As for Guns, a Mk2 "Antitank Sniper Rifle" (that our character use NOT ONLY to kill "Teseum Raiders" TAG, but rather Antipode Chieftains !!!) could be a good definition. . .

    Other details to be discussed at will. . . . .
     
  14. Golem2God

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    It's not that I don't want to play that, it is that I'm not sure what to pick yet.
    Interesting take. Have you thought of any more aspects of her?
     
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    @inane.imp . . .

    Your character "Drone Handler" seems to Me quite well-balanced, but I see it is VERY similar to the TWO "Nomad Riggers" of Solodice's Game. . .

    What about, by being a Bakunin Vaudevillers, just some minor tweaking and have Him as a "Pupnik Handler"???

    Not a FULL FLEDGED Chimera Uberfallkommando (UNLESS this will be amusing for YOU to play), but rather someone hailing from EITHER the Morlock Gangs (maybe a "Pit Fight" Trainer of Gladiator Game Beasts) or a "K9 Cop" for the Moderators. . . . .!!!

    The Drones would be useful, but for Long Range Patrols on the Ariadnan Borders, some ORGANIC "Drones" (maybe with "Limited" Regeneration, helped by the Khawarji Field Doctor and the Tohaa "Commando Paramedic") would be BETTER. . .

    . . . . .

    If You want to NOT LOSE the "Hi-Tech Edge" of Your Character we could say that the CHARACTER and the Pupniks are HEAVILY cybernetized (as suggested by Section 9 forumite, Corregidorans specialize in "Cheap Combat Drugs / Cheap Gene-Mods", Tunguskan in ADVANCED Cybernetics while Bakunin BLEND SEAMELESSLY both !!!). . .

    . . . . .

    Just My two cents. . . !!
     
  16. stevenart74

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    @Nuada Airgetlam . . .

    As I feared the "Tohaa Player Character" Options are rather poorly done UNTIL we will have "Tohaa Faction Playerbook"; so we will have to improvise QUITE a lot. . .

    Was reading the Merc Book and see many interesting "Combat Drugs" that are RATHER dangerous for Player Character to use as they will COUNTERBALANCE "Big Powaz NOW" with "Aftershock Seizures" quite severe. . .

    To PERHAPS explore the "Tohaa Symbiowarrior" aspect of Your Character could have to CREATE handmade Rules about administering the Drugs TO THE SYMBIOSUIT (the "Neon Coloured" Second Layer of Muscles that is under "Armourplates / Light Uniform") to have the GOOD effect during a battle, BUT the "After-Effect" are MOSTLY (as Symbioarmour "Draw Blood" from the wearer) on the "Muscle Suit". . .

    AT WORST You will have to "Peel Off" the "Musclesuit", "Roll It" as a Tarpaulin and let it "Cooldown" on a Hydroponic Tank (size and shape like the "Head Tube" of Cube-Jagers) while You soldier-on as one of the Non-Symbio Tohaa Troopers. . .

    . . . . .

    Rather EXTREME and We need to carefully "Game-Balance" it, but is an idea "Built Upon" pre-extant Official Game Material; after all the Tohaa "Masters of Biotech" were doing 1.000 Years AGO, what the Bakunites Praxis Black-Labs and the Haqqislamite Gene-Doctors BARELY achieved in 100 Years of experimenting. . . . . .!!!

    . . . . .

    Was thinking ALSO to have Your character 1 or 2 "Tohaa Symbios" (of the "Pokemon" variety) or even better a "Feral Symbiobeast" ("Surda" the version without Guns, rather than Gunmount-Wielding "Mutan" but YOU choose); optimized to COMBAT the Ariadnan Antipodes on their own turf following You. . .!!

    . . . . .

    As for the "Viral Payloads" of the Weapons perhaps Your Character is NOT of the "Skulking Viral Sniper" kind of PC (so NOT a Tohaa Version of the Hashashin Lasiq !!) but rather a "Tough-As-Nails" Frontline Trooper. . .

    Was thinking that AS ARIADNAN MERCS all the Characters would use "Vintage 21th Century Guns" (to lessen problems with lines of Supply and, during/after Battle with "Local Submondo Thugs" the "Refill-Topping" of spent Reloads !!); but it will be EXOTIC AMMO the mainstay of Elite Mercs drawing from "Supply Coffers" of NOT ONLY Planet Dawn, but Mothership + Bourak + "Renegade Alien Labs". . .

    So You could have a "Combishotgun" of the Ariadnan Version; a Cal.12/.00 "Boarding Shotgun" of the Ariadnan Kind (imagine an USAS12 / Daewoo "C.A.W.S." but with Wooden Stocks e Barrel-Cover, stright clip of 15-30 Shotgun Slugs) with mounted underneath a SINGLESHOT "M203" 40mm. Grenade Launcher. . .

    You could "Share" the "Normal" Shotgun and Grenade Launcher ammo with PC / Allied NPC and raze the supply of defeated enemies (75% of Enemies of the "Minotaurs" are of the Desperados / Cateran Bandits / Irmandhinos / Wulver "Bouncer" variety; guardin stolen Teseum Ingots to be smuggled to their "Paymasters" of Submondo / Pan-O Megacorps / Yujingese "Triad Fronts"). . .

    . . . . .

    There are some RATHER IMPORTANT ideas about Your Tohaa Character "Story Background" that I would like to discuss by PM, when You want. . . . . !!!
     
  17. stevenart74

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    @Ashen_Seeker . . .

    The character ideas are VERY good; and if You want the "Quran Teacher" part of the Red Turban Khawarji could be as downplayed as You want. . .

    Maybe instead of a "Pious Masked Imam-Warrior" idea of Wargame Trooper then You could take inspiration from the COMIC Version of Tarik Mansuri (drawn by the Spanish humorous comic "Yasbir" artist); a "Captain America" kind of Supersoldier that is ANYWAY a Lecherous Womanizer and an "Omar Sharif / Oded Fehr" Playboy Middle-Eastern Gentleman-Seducer. . .!!

    . . . . .

    An important "Logistical Issue" of Red Turban Khawarjis is the they are NOT ONLY Quran Teachers AND Gene-Enhanced Supersoldiers; they are ALSO Frontline OFFICERS; this, coupled with Your "Bourak-Given M.D. Degree" make Your character the EQUIVALENT of a "ArmY Medic Officer, Rank between Lieutenant / Captain / Major". . .

    Would You like to be "Squad Commanding Officer" for the purposes of "Mercenary Organization Logistics". . . . .???

    . . . . .

    Another issue of "Squad Logistics". . .!!

    In the rather very good "Mercs Playerbooks" is said that USUALLY Merc Squads are deplyed in "10 Troopers Fireteams" (maybe an heritage of the Wargame Rules, with USUALLY 10 Minis of the "Light Infantry Garrison" kind). . .

    For Player Squads is hinted that PC are "Top Ranks" (Commanding Officer / Sergeants / Specialists) and the REST of 10 numbers is filled with "Fusilier / Dashat Level" kind of NPC "Mooks". . .

    . . . . .

    As I was thinking to suggest (rather HEAVILY Suggest) any other Player to take at least ONE "Attack Beast" we could infer that with:

    @inane.imp choice between Nomad Drones and/or Bakunin Pupniks

    @Nuada Airgetlam Surda "Tiger Of Dirz" (check "Scorpion Of Dirz" Armylist from the FAILED Rackham Fantasy Wargames)

    @Golem2God IF "Wulver Valkyrie" is OK for Him, maybe some sort of "K9" Antipodes "Dual Minipack". . .

    You could have ONE or TWO (really 4 Players + 6 "Beast Drones" to reach 10 "Men" strong Fireteam Squad) of the typical, noble "Wild Beast" of Bourak, the feline "Panther-Lion" known as "Sakt Tadeer" (immortalized as "Endangered Alpha Predators" of Bourak in the "Outrage Manga"). . .

    With GAME Stats comparable to a K9 Antipode (but Antipodes are "Wolf-Like D&D Gnoll Beastmen" and a Sakt could be a less strong, but STEALTHIER Critter) will do QUITE the Image, for Your Character of:

    "Dashing Handsome Desert-Prince with Tamed Lion(s)". . .

    . . . . .

    What do You think about it. . . . .!!!
     
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    He's very different. Ric started out on Lazaretto, joined the NMF to escape a life in the Maras. Left under a cloud. Started a second career as a bodyguard, which has him leading a squad of investigators through the Paradiso. It's interesting, because he's growing into a tactics / command role which is stretching him. He's actually designed as an Wildcat Assault Hacker: so he's supposed to be shooting things and occasionally Hacking things, while leveraging substantially augmentations. He ended up controlling the REMs because I was across the mechanics involved, not because he necessarily made the most sense as the teams Rigger. It meant that I worked out a bit about REMs: tl;dr they're really really good. He's also something of a bigoted dick.

    <Character Name Here> OTOH started life on a Commercial Mission and well off. But he was a rebellious kid who got himself in trouble when his family move to Bakunin. He got involved in a Hacking sub-culture where he did something bad enough to get sentenced to serve 2 years as a Morlock. He struggled through those. Now he works as a Combat REM pilot. He's squishy AF, and definitely isn't designed to be a front line fighter. He's also supposed to be friendlier and more personable but less of a leader. Mechanically, he doubles down on supporting REMs in a way Ric simply doesn't: he's designed to explore what Ric is doing by accident. In Infinity terms he's an Ex-Morlock Spec Ops with a Hacking Device.

    The similarity is they're both Nomad Hackers who are in a small combat team and enable REMs.
     
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    Your Character, Your "Rules". . .

    Whatever is amusing for You. . .!!

    An intersting idea to explore is that Bakunin Black-Labs take "Vintage Shit Wrecks" and morph them into customized marvels!!

    On the Ariadnan zones of Planet Dawn, between the "Freak Legions" of the Minotaurs, this is even MORE pronounced!!

    Maybe You start in the Hangar near the Barracks by "Acquiring" some old, dilapidated Haqqislamite Drone (like the earlier versions of the "Fanous" remote!), then apply "Spit'N'polish" and LIBERAL "Torch-Welding" and start to apply a NEWER "Semiremote Antenna" custom-slaved to YOUR Comlog (ONLY! You would probably jealous of YOUR "Precioussss!!"), some Extra-Armour Plating of Low% Teseum Alloys and maybe a "Lightened" Version of the Huragan MRL. . .!!

    . . . . .

    So You would be the "Frankenstein Doctor" but for Remotes. . .!!

    . . . . .

    Did not read was a Morlock! Very interesting Character!! Would You consider some "Metachemistry Dermopatches" from the Merc Handbook (had NO time to still read the Nomad Handbook, will do soon !!!) as "Last Emergency Stopgap". . .??

    . . . . .

    Morlocks as a rule LOVES Close-Combat VICIOUS Guns (like all Human Sphere "Warbanders" !!). . .

    Would You like to mount a Light Flamer underneath Your combirifle. . .?

    or a Chain-Colt??

    Or maybe a "Side Combi-Longarm" like one PREFERRED by the Minotaurs "Freaks": a Chainrifle with a Grenade Launcher M203 Tube miunted underneath. . .???
     
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    I can swap the Combi for a Fuegor because Morlocks are part of the NMF. So I was going to do that.

    I looked at the Metachem options, but I'm not fussed. In terms of augmentations I'm really only thinking some neural stuff. I can probably pay for those out of assets.
     
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