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Military Orders. A word of hope.

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Daireann, Sep 6, 2020.

  1. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    All seems to suggest so. It is different from "BS Attack(+1B)". Thanks to pistols unique option to be used in CC this mean that Pistol(+1B) works in CC.

    @ijw could know more if it was indeed intended by CB.
     
  2. Skoll

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    The issue is the positively gigantic jump in statline they received and how they have something like 7 points of raw stats on hospitallers and regen and berserk. All for 1 point difference which is ridiculous even with the tired argument of "dont compare points across factions"

    Im sure steel phalanx would riot of someone got an exact copy of Achilles but for 45 points.

    JSA was always better than MO in combat but mo is better at shooting. Tanko and magisters where were this was a bit reversed with tanko being better shots and magisters being better ar dodging to get into cc (tanko where still better once inside cc) but now tanko are 5 points cheaper ,still bs13 , have 6-2 and bonus dodge movement to get into cc faster and their ml launcher profile is even better as well.

    Just harebrained logic all around
     
  3. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Of course we shouldn't compare stuff between factions 1 to 1, it'd be unfair. Asawiras might be significantly better than Hospitallers, but to balance things they belong to a sectorial with enormous flexibility, diversity of options, and support structure. /sarcasm
     
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  4. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member

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    I need a crying react in the forums too... I wish we had some confirmation if we can expect some changes in November or soon. So i know if this is going to be status quo till n5
     
  5. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Well, until then I'm planning to enjoy the hell out of my other armies, and field testing what can be done with MO. For instance, I must say that I really like what I see about Montesa. MA2 gives it much better CC punch, and its BTS got boosted as well. Not to mention finally having a proper SWC weapon.
     
  6. Ammon

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    On page 21 of the rule book you check if declared AROs are legal after the second short skill is declared by the active player but before you resolve anything. The penalty for declaring an illegal ARO is to idle instead. So if you think guy will shoot your Kamau when he has Albedo just declare shoot because you lose nothing if he decides to do something else. If he does shoot at you your ARO is now legal and you have sixth sense and can turn the BF or whatever into paste.
     
  7. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member

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    But he would not be eligible to declare the aro, he doesnt meet the requirements of LoS or zone of control.

    You cant just declare reset with every model on the table every time i move a model just in case
     
  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    You have to assign burst immediately at the point of declaration for a BS Attack, and you can only assign burst to targets in LoF.
     
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  9. Ammon

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    You sure could, at least until they add another ARO check step to between steps 2 and 3 of the Order Expenditure Sequence on page 21. Until then declare whatever ARO you want and hope your opponent makes it legal.
     
  10. Ammon

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    You check all that stuff in step 5 good sir.
     
  11. Sungwon

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    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/stealth-and-6th-sense.37756/#post-364748
    Maybe check this thread. In short, you have to assign bursts to targets in LOS when you declare your aro, not resolution step.
     
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  12. ijw

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    You check if you actually had an ARO in step 5. Assigning Burst is done when declaring BS Attack.
     
  13. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member

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    Is it different for assigning burst when declaring hacking attacks?

    Can a hacker have an aro triggered by a non stealth model walking in its hacking area and still declare hack to a link member with stealth? Which then turns viable when it does something other than move?

    That seems super counter intuitive that you are allowed to declare aro against something that doesn't meet the criteria and is it minimum immersion breaking
     
  14. Ammon

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    Sure i assign it all to the albedo guy and we will see if i had legal LoF in step 5.
     
  15. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Step 5 is when you check if you actually had an ARO, not whether or not the ARO you declared was legal.

    BS Attack requires LoF to Declare, no LoF and you can't even declare it.
     
  16. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Please provide a rules source for this.
     
  17. Ammon

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    Main rule book page 21
     
  18. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    OK, I'll rephrase that. Please provide specific rules quotes, and explain how they support your version of the rules.
     
  19. daboarder

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    You can in N4
     
  20. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Thats certainly the reading @inane.imp and @Spleen have of the rules....

    Unless I've missed something
     
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