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Making the Lu Duan work

Discussion in 'Japanese Secessionist Army' started by Quickit, May 18, 2019 at 6:40 AM.

  1. Quickit

    Quickit Member

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    Conventional wisdom suggests the Rui Shi every time over the Lu Duan (LD), but I like to try giving underutilized profiles an honest chance on the board.

    Challenges:
    Dealing with 3x55mm bases is difficult - making room for all three bases to be visible and have active LOF to a target is tricky. Holo 2 usually only works once or twice, unless you want to use orders to re-establish the Holos.

    Strengths:
    -Heavy flamethrower on a 6-4 platform with marker state is a very viable threat. Mk12 is a solid 0 SWC weapon with a very strong range band for the platform it's on.
    -Holo2 re-establishes itself at the beginning of the reactive turn if there's no LOF on the Lu Duan.
    - cheap and easy way to clear mines, Koalas, etc.
    - Great for seeing if a camo marker tucked on top of a building is a hacker - they have to choose whether to hack what might be a holo.
    -Repeater- if a hacker goes after it, this gives your Ninja KHD (you did take one, right?) something to ARO against, or even use on your active turn to benefit from higher active turn burst.

    The important part is to take full advantage of Holo2.

    Active turn Holo2 benefits:

    My ideal use for the LD is as a first turn "missile", by using the first 5-6 orders on the first turn. Deploy so it has a reasonably straight path to the opponents. If you have a hacker, throw MML2 on it.

    Move forward, and wait for the ARO. Most reactive players will hold on their ARO, expecting you to shoot with the second half of the order. So move, wait for ARO, and then move again if they delay their ARO. Do it again, and let them struggle whether to do it again, or shoot, and have a 66% chance of missing. Remember you can't split fire on an ARO, so even link teams or TR bots only have a 33% chance of hitting. Your target is anything that you would like to bathe in fire, so link teams, cheerleaders, any clump of models you can catch with a large template.

    Order 1: hacker puts MML2 on LD. (this has the bonus of putting shock on both the HF and Mk12.)
    Order 2: Move, wait for ARO, then react accordingly. If they hold, move again. If they fire, you have a good chance to get a normal roll against them. Remember you also get Surprise Shot on this, so another -3 for the opponent is always handy.
    Order 3: reestablish holo's if you fired on order 2.
    Repeat as necessary until you have a target for the HF.

    If the LD is still alive near the end of the turn, you can put the model into Suppression. This turns the Holos off, but if the opponent has no LOF to the LD, it re-activates the holos for free at the beginning of the reactive turn.

    Reactive turn Holo2 benefits:

    Not many - that's why you send him forward on your turn! The weakness of Holos and ARO's is that as soon as you declare an ARO, the holos disappear. So all the opponent has to do is walk into LOF, and wait for you to shoot. At this point, he knows which one is the real one. You can play a bit of a game and not ARO to preserve the holos if he has a low burst weapon, but if you dont ARO, he might get an unopposed shot on it.

    Being attacked by a camo marker actually negates this weakness as you can hold your ARO. You suffer the -3 from surprise shot but MSV1 negates normal camo, and hopefully, you're in Suppression, so he has a -3 as well.


    Other thoughts:

    If you need to approach a difficult model that is holding a firelane that has a strong ARO (model in suppression, link team HMG or ML, etc), line up all three models so that the front one blocks LOS to the ones behind it, with the real unit at the rear of the chain. That means the opponent can only shoot the front model, so you can move, let them shoot the front, and move again. Repeat with the second model if you still need to move closer. If you've gotten close enough, you can also hack them through the repeater.. Immobilize, then roast.
     
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  2. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Good advice for Holo2 use in general, really! Another prime use for Holoechoes is to clear mines and other perimeter weapons like CrazyKoalas or MadTraps.

    Don't forget that you can also Holo1 as something the same Silhouette, like a harmless baggagebot in the case of the Lu Duan. Nobody likes getting their face burned off by an HFT from what they thought was a helpless 8pt Baggagebot! :smiling_imp: Once that surprise has popped (say, toasting an Impersonator), you can then Holo2 and advance up the table as per your post.
     
  3. neostrider

    neostrider Well-Known Member

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    I love the lu duan. My favorite trick is to deploy as a boarding shotgun aragato, move up carefully, approach a target and pop out to shoot at about 9 or 10", 'accidently' in sight of two targets maybe. Opponents will jump at the chance to shoot back a bsg over 8".

    Then reveal: +3 range band, surprise shot they are -3, and you have 1 more burst than they expected. That's a good swing in your advantage.

    I also sit backfield as EVO bot. Less obvious about if there's a hacker in board, easier to hide the point difference, and going second some opponents might want to deny the victory points
     
  4. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Eh, they should kinda know something is up when said Aragoto doesn't generate an impetuous order during the phase before hand.
     
  5. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    And if it only ever moves 6-4 opposed to 8-4.

    Disguising as an Aragoto is one of the few options available, but arguably one of the more dubious ones.

    That said the BSG or Combi+LSG near perfectly match the Lu Duans cost, second only to the Pango TR, which costs the exact same.
     
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  6. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Well-Known Member

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    I see people get taken in reasonably frequently by a harmless baggage bot turning out to actually have a heavy flamethrower.
     
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  7. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    You can only use the Surprise Shot if you are in the Holoecho2 (marker)state, not if you're moving up the board as a single Aragoto unfortunately. I took him in IA in some lists and disguised as a helpless EVO hacker, killing Dart once with that trick. But in JSA, as there can be no drop troops, a Aragoto would be the most tempting disguise.
     
  8. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure that friendly troops block LoF while moving?
    I thought that you do not block LoF while moving,
    but I cannot find the rule right now...
     
  9. Jedkar Midune

    Jedkar Midune Member

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    I had assumptions on this as well so I checked and found:
    Q: When two or more troopers activate simultaneously, (through a Coordinated Order or Fireteam, for example) can one of them “hide” behind the others to avoid AROs?
    A: No. Troopers don’t block LoF while moving.
     
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  10. Jedkar Midune

    Jedkar Midune Member

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    I've recently experimented with sat-lock and EVO (to remote the -6) so there's value in having an EVO rem on the table. Loving sat-lock
     
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