I think @Pierzasty comment was supposed to be more tongue in cheek, in that removing MSV2 isn't going to stop smoke abuse in Ikari anyways. I'm not sure which others you're talking about who pointed out Ikari don't get Brawlers, they definetly do unless bostia released faulty info (hey, wouldn't be the first) Spoiler: Ikari List That said, yeah, it's a different function, but he still had a valid point that smoke abuse is still gonna be prevalent in all the factions that get JSA rui shi, it just depends how prevelent bostia wants smoke abuse to the identity of the factions. I'm with the general sentiment that they won't get it though
No, they're getting Brawlers but I thought the MSV Sniper was going to be Bayram Security only? Now that I think about it that might have been the Druze MULTI Sniper.
I think thats it. QK doesn't get the druze sniper, so I think we're able to inference that Ikari doesn't get it either
That would make sense, but I am going to be very said about losing Blitzen and/or Missile Launcher. the simplest option would be rubbled hex-streets. I know MAS make bases like that, think Antenociti's does, too. A-Citi also does some nice tri-hex bases. Judging by Israel and South Africa, no, you make it better... While you are under international weapons embargoes! Smoke LGL, sure. Not buying Specialist except as trollery.
Sorry, for little Off-Topic... SURPRISE SHOT according to infinty wiki is a SHORT SKILL. Intuitive attack is an ENTIRE ORDER skill, so don't think that you can use surprise with intuitive fire.
Ok 1st the greef: A) Is anybody else sad they "nerfed" azuka? i mean the Scyth is fancy and all but she don't have a Assault pistol. Thats a big hit for some of the list i think. B) Still now cheep smoke. why no smoke on the nijas? C) Oniwaban still at 40 ponits. D)Karakuri are still not hackable. The CA can do it why cant we. BläBläBläXD Now the Hype: E) A lot of new toys and guns for some pretty good ranged bands. I think it is a big buff every time you get acsess to diffrent equipment. MsV2 in a 5 man link. Hell Year! The 5 man Keisotsulink has been buffed a lot<3 F) Ryuken seem awesome. Now the "I dont knows": G) are haramakis and Raidens gone? H) will the Rems stay the same? I) Daiyokai. The "super hi" units never really pulled there wheight against me and on ths one you pay alot for CC. His guns seem good but i dont think hes worth. Hes sexy looking though. Do you think they will see a lot of Competitive play? All in all we seem buffed but thinks dint change to mutch.
What is your complaint about Oniwaban, too cheap or too expensive? And Karakuri are definitely hackable, don't know what you're talking about there. G) Haramaki and Raiden have been replaced by Tanko and Ryuken, respectively. H) There's at least a JSA version of the Rui Shi. I) The B I G B O Y E duos with a Domaru, and Bostria hinted we will get a specialist Domaru, which makes that pretty playable.
I fail to see where I implied you could move + intuitive attack... My standar "camo hunting order sequence" is move, if the camo does not ARO I Discover with my Deva and my Devabot. If I fail, next order is Entire Order: Intuitive attack (done both by the Deva's Nanopulser and the Devabot's heavy flamethrower), so it would be a hard mistake for me to make.
Not sure I'd call her in anyway nerfed. I'll gladly lose the assault pistol to gain specialist operative, dogged, and decent melee abilities. Plus Breaker pistol is a nice alternate ammo type.
Agreed, being a specialist now is a huge buff, I will however miss her Assault Pistol as well, I just love that weapon for some reason, and I don't see myself getting into CC with her on purpose either....MA would have been very nice on her...especially for the Stealth :-P
@meikyoushisui Oni is to expensive. He could loose ca 5p. He is competing with shinbu and ninja every time. His point right now put him in the exact never worth spor. The new profile cuts 4 witch is a start but the BSG is better i think. You still cant put support hacking on karakuri. It would make the 3 man link worth. I line mk12 karakuri on there own but the link could have used a buff. The cb onix has a link like that. I think they are calles uni drones. I) yeay kinda but about 50p and he dosent have berserk so he will rearly end up in cc also kinda slows his bud down. I love the model but i dont feel like he has the tools to stom (be as good or better; your own and most enemy) other 50p models. But playing him will show what he can do. @zephen1802: (what dose the 1802 in the name mean? I am just curios) I call it a nefe. Shes the worst kind of spec. And her (azukas) role is (was) too shredd Lt.s. Loosing one die is a lot. Defensiv stats in infinity are nice to have. But the models usualy die when yor opponent finds a good ranged band. So i value offens a lot more.
On the other hand, CA's cheap ass drones can't go prone and can't have Fairy Dust protect them. What do you want to sacrifice on the Oni to bring it down 5 points? I assure you that the Onibawan's price is not only fair but fairly well optimised.
That "nerfed" asuka :), pretty agree to it. She is now Big specialist and cost more then khd ninja (who is also a specialist, and who has probably more chances to reach the target using infinltration and TO:CAMO). High CC, but no MA - do you really want to risk CC with one die? Even vs 1 die on 14? With shock knife? So she is probably more about shooting. With combi....and breaker pistol....and flamer (can be very handy though) and no cover bonus... I'd better go with new ryuken for shooting with ODD and different ammo type. Yes, she has dogged, but for same price I can have one Butai and Ryuken ODD. Nice set of rules Kuroshi has, buuut...the best thing in her possesion is light flamer (direct fire template), which are not so many in JSA. No :)...that's not what I meant, sorry. I should explained it. You can't use nanopulsar to do surprise shot and make additional -3 to FTF, because of the reason mentioned before (intuitive - long, surprise shot - short) - at least that is what I can see on wiki.
@Mahtamori : I wouldn't change a thing if i could just get him 6p cheaper :P Probably just drop the Mono 4 an expo cc and the Bsg for a Lsg. Infinity uses a more complicate Point system than 40k. You cant say a Bsb is exactly 3p worth. At least I am guessing they taking the Profile the weapon is on into account. So its is hard to say. Maybe drop Super infiltrate for normal infiltrate. Make one of his many thinks a Little worse to make him better. Or give him somke. In jsa everyting can be fixed with smoke=) The Problem with the Oni isnt that he aint good . He dose to many things and ends up extremely expensive. That alone wouldn't hurt him but for +7p you get a Shinbu and for -14p u get a ninja(11 if khd) and for -1 Point you get Saito. So whats the Point of having him? The competitive scene has cryed about this Issue for years and it was/is one of main flaws and part of the reason Jsa was consider one of the worse Senatorials.We will se if the Update changes things. @sorniak :3
TBH, I don't think it will lose MSV without gaining anything else. The S4 remotes need something to set them apart from each other (Other faction S4s that is). I think it might gain another weapon option, probably something without an SWC tax. Think how the bulleteer has a heavy shotgun option.
I'm not sure that would make him cheaper tho. I'm pretty sure those two cost the same. Mono CCW is 2 more than Shock CCW (Anathematic) and EXP CCW is 2 more than AP (Teuton). And Shock CCW and AP CCW cost the same (Moiras). It would make him better tho. Increase his lethality by quite a bit against certain troops.
The SMG option is really attractive now, for all the reasons you've listed. he's cheap enough to where you can see merit over saito and still get that nice superior infiltrate, he's a decent discount over shinobu to where it feels "worth" it and you can still go suppressive. The BSG is good for link team hunting, but the SMG i think is overall the choice to be made now.
So you basically want the Oniwaban to be normal ninja? Then just take the normal DA ninja, lmao. The Oniwaban is a bargain for how easily it slices through units that are way more expensive than it is. > The Oniwaban is like a Fiday. He is going to pick one thing and murder it, and he's very likely to accomplish it. It's basically a homing missile. Shinobu wants to survive and be in suppressive after she does her job (thus smoke grenades) and regular ninja are midfield specialists. The SMG Oniwaban is stupidly optimized for it's job.
40K uses a subjective point system where two identical Space Marines may have vastly different prices depending on which colour they have. For Infinity, it's all about the composition which is why optimised profiles are so much better than sub-optimised profiles - the points cost not being very relevant to discuss. BSG is the driving reason to buy the Onibawan. Personally I weigh the BSG versus the smoke grenades and PH on Shinobu. Smoke grenades is significantly better than their 1 points might imply, but I feel that for me personally the two are fairly on par with each other - usually opting for Shinobu only because she offers slightly more list synergy besides murdering all threats. The Ninja on the other hand doesn't do what the Oniwaban does. At all. I wouldn't even list the two in a comparison. Only Saito compares, but lacking Superior Infiltration and having slightly inferior CCWs, I feel that Saito is a poor-man's Shinobu and not in direct competition with the Onibawan. Should JSA gain access to Specialist Operative Saito, this might change, but it would also push Saito into a slightly different role, predating more on the value of the Ninja than of the Onibawan. Antimateriel versus being good against tough targets. I'd take being good against tough targets. Ninjas can kill light targets just fine, EXP CCW on an Onibawan is overkill against Fusiliers or Agemas that I wouldn't put value on that change.
