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Jammers in fireteams

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Hiereth, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Which is given to some people due to them having a skill of Forward Observer.


    Well what a lovely mess :P

    N4 couldn't come faster :P
     
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  2. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    But is Jammer a BS weapon ?

     
  3. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    What is a BS Weapon?

    It's not defined anywhere. The working definition is a Weapon that performs BS Attacks. This fits with all known interactions.
     
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    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    No, because Forward Observer is a Special Skill, not a BS Weapon.

    That doesn't stop Flash Pulse being a BS Weapon.

    Yes. It's listed as a BS Weapon, it doesn't have it's own Skill, it's also a weapon used by declaring the BS Attack Common Skill.
     
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  5. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    But in contrary to "normal" BS Weapons is not (explicitly) written that's a BS weapon.

    It is a weapon (like a knife).
    It is used to perform BS attack (like Forward Obserwer for example).

    There is unfortunetaly nothing which says that a "BS weapon is a weapon which is used to perform BS attacks". Unless I'm missing an definition somewhere ;P
     
  6. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    No, Spitfire (for example) has a passage that it is a "BS weapon".
     
  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    You're inadvertently claiming that Akrylate-kanone, Blitzen, D.E.P., etc also aren't BS Weapons. Unlike Jammer, those three barely even claims to be a weapon (Jammer says it's a "technical weapon")
     
  8. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Dunno.

    Would be nice to have some definition or consistent naming would it ?

    (like a trooper definition ;P)
     
  9. inane.imp

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  10. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    Welp, thats me avoiding any Spec Ops tournament without a soft ban.

    CB needs to reduce the amount of this shit in their game, not turn it up to 11.
     
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  11. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Oh we are long after point of no return.

    After Fatality and Full Auto, Eraser, Kamau MSV in Fusi link.
     
  12. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Is no thread safe?!?!?!?!?!?!?
     
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  13. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    not for a long time 'round these parts. If I think hard enough I can almost taste the air of those pre-daedalus days. It was sweet, like nectar – you could almost drink it.
     
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    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Back when we were all just happy with Hollow Men and Zulu Cobras and arguing over Intent? Halcyon days my friend...
     
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    Technically Forward Observer is a BS weapon too, which makes the FAQ ruling calling it out somewhat nonsensical.
     
  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    The rules literally say it's an attack with a BS weapon.
     
  17. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Where it is written it's a weapon ?

    LoL you are right.

    • The use of Forward Observer is a form of Attack with a BS Weapon that uses the WIP attribute, and instead of forcing the target to make an ARM Roll, forces him to enter the Targeted state.

    Oh boy, apparently we didn't sacrificed enough Bothan spies polish Warcors to get CB read their own rules.
     
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    Sangarn TRIUMcorp CEO
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    I'm running a tournament tomorrow and I've just check the (22) lists and I saw this bullshit of holo 1 Wip 15 jammer with +3 B2 -_-
    and for Varuna also without the holo !
    seriously WTF ? WIP 18 B2 without LoS isolated state !!!
    I mean ok for Bahram, it's a weak sectorial but Varuna ??
    If I've saw this madness sooner I would have never done a tournament with spec ops rules this is just absurd ..
     
  20. Diphoration

    Diphoration Well-Known Member
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    It’s strong, there are other strong combo with Spec Ops. There are counter-plays. People should expect and prepare for it.
     
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