1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Light infantry order spam vs. Limited Insertion HI "samurai" lists

Discussion in 'Japanese Secessionist Army' started by BarbeChenue, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. BarbeChenue

    BarbeChenue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    50
  2. grampyseer

    grampyseer User of the "ignore" button
    Warcor

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    776
    I’d say so.

    Everyone has a comfort spot where they like to play, and JSA seems to reward several of them.

    The samurai core seems viable, and you can even squeeze impetuous orders out of some very good bike units to round out to 10 orders.

    Likewise, an Oyori plus Keisotsu link still gives you lots of room for other toys.

    I’d say they can play the LI game well, although there’s some very strong arguments that 15 orders is a matter of JSA orthodoxy.






    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  3. Sunabe

    Sunabe Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2018
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    29
    I like to play a LI list but my lists tend be low on samurai and have more ninjas in them. Rarely go without my Oniwaban and Saito.
    [​IMG] Xeno──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]10 [​IMG]1[​IMG] KEMPEI (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW, Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)[​IMG] RYŪKEN (Forward Deployment L2, ODD) Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 24)[​IMG] RYŪKEN (Forward Deployment L2, ODD) Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 24)[​IMG] NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)[​IMG] ONIWABAN Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0 | 41)[​IMG] SHINOBU Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0.5 | 47)[​IMG] SAITO TOGAN (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW, Knife. (0 | 40)[​IMG] KUROSHI RIDER Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Breaker Pistol, AP + Shock CCW. (0 | 33)[​IMG] KEMPEI (Multispectral Visor L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / Pistol, CCW, Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)[​IMG] KEISOTSU Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 14) 4 SWC | 298 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
  4. clever handle

    clever handle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2018
    Messages:
    207
    Likes Received:
    227
    I've been playing JSA for years. Every event I've taken them to post uprising (and pre uprising for that matter) sees me bring a 14-16 order list based around keisotsu, and a 10 order list based around our HI.
     
  5. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    6,148
    Likes Received:
    9,666
    I should start off by saying that I am much more comfortable running a single combat group than multiple, even if the multiple groups might be better. So I tend to concentrate on making very solid 10-order lists.

    Samurai 7's trick is to hit HARD in active turn, but I usually leave the link and the TAG available to ARO. TAG AROs with a BS14 EXP shot, but the real ARO threat is the Samurai core team. Trick is to leave the AROs to only cover their +3 range. If you really need extra orders, you can break the link team and let the Tanko go Impetuous.



    Now that I've parsed that into a readable format (@-V- really needs to fix that glitch in Army Mobile!), that's an interesting list. Do you Hidden Deploy all 4 Ninjas?
     
    BarbeChenue likes this.
  6. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2018
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    222
    ...sorry, what? Since when O-Yoroi's AP HMG could shoot EXP shots? 0_0
     
    BarbeChenue likes this.
  7. BarbeChenue

    BarbeChenue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    50
    Played the list yesterday versus a TAK Limited Insertion list sporting a Core link with a Veteran Kazak AG HMG. The odds were not in my favour:

    Active Player
    67.33% Veteran Kazaks inflicts 1 or more wounds on Tankō Zensenbutai (1 W)
    35.65% Veteran Kazaks inflicts 2 or more wounds on Tankō Zensenbutai (Unconscious)
    13.14% Veteran Kazaks inflicts 3 or more wounds on Tankō Zensenbutai (Dead)

    Failures
    19.77% Neither player succeeds
    Reactive Player
    12.90% Tankō Zensenbutai inflicts 1 or more wounds on Veteran Kazaks (0 W)
    9.11% Tankō Zensenbutai inflicts 2 or more wounds on Veteran Kazaks (Dead)

    He one-rounded my Tanko Missile launcher, and proceeded to utterly destroy my O-Yoroi. There is no EXP shot on the O-Yoroi, and starting turn one I couldn't put it on suppressive. He basically took his entire turn to move through the table, destroying everything unopposed. He flanked the O-Yoroi easily, shooting it from outside cover:

    Active Player
    89.32% Veteran Kazaks inflicts 1 or more wounds on O-Yoroi Kidobutai (2 STR)
    70.84% Veteran Kazaks inflicts 2 or more wounds on O-Yoroi Kidobutai (1 STR)
    42.07% Veteran Kazaks inflicts 3 or more wounds on O-Yoroi Kidobutai (Unconscious)
    15.99% Veteran Kazaks inflicts 4 or more wounds on O-Yoroi Kidobutai (Dead)

    Failures
    6.62% Neither player succeeds
    Reactive Player
    4.06% O-Yoroi Kidobutai inflicts 1 or more wounds on Veteran Kazaks (0 W)

    Gives you an idea of the onslaught. ;)
     
  8. Sunabe

    Sunabe Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2018
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    29
    I tend use hidden deployment for 1 or 2 ninjas. Mostly the ones I superior infiltrate.
     
  9. MattyG2787

    MattyG2787 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2019
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    18
    Would you start more hidden if you were going second?
     
  10. Sunabe

    Sunabe Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2018
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    29
    Most likely
     
  11. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2017
    Messages:
    6,148
    Likes Received:
    9,666
    sorry, shoulder surgery on Fri, pain meds are *really* good.
     
    siri, Abrilete and Deltervees like this.
  • About Us

    We are a company founded in 2001 in Cangas (Spain), and devoted to design and manufacture games and figures. Our main product, Infinity the Game, was born with the ambition to satisfy the most demanding audience, offering the best quality.

     

    Why are we here?

     

    Because we are, first and foremost, players.

  • Quick Navigation

    Open the Quick Navigation