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Yu Jing in N4

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by psychoticstorm, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Dude's rocking in an advanced Lhost? Just like some Aleph profiles? O-12 generally seems to mix PanO shooting supremacy with Aleph durability themes.

    But further on, hes a solid profile. Not something I'd be overly excited to have in my particular playstyles. The short range weaponry can be a bit limiting and his price is painful for a model you must use to attack with.

    *shrug* yeah that would have been nice. I haven't really figured out an IA list where i'd fit drop troops in though. I mainly don't like drop troops in limited insertion though.
     
  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    And this mysteriously translates into equipment that games the points system... got it.
     
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  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Advanced Lhosts didn't used to have Shock Immunity; that's a weakness of Devas.
     
  4. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    Maybe he got a Yadu class Lhost?
     
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  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    It's unclear if Yadus get Shock Immunity from their host or their armor. Since Devas are supposed to be a higher "tier" of lhost and don't have it, I'd suggest the latter. We don't even know if Cuervo's resurrected; seems unlikely with his lack of Cube 2.0.
     
  6. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    You don't need cube 2.0 to have been resurrected, look at Angus!

    Honestly, for all we know has a custom Lhost created for him by a lovely biotechnologist he once rescued from indentured servitude in a Praxis black lab. I imagine Basilisk level Deltas live pretty interesting lives.
     
  7. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Angus hasn't been resurrected; he's been repaired cybernetically.
     
  8. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Well-Known Member

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    learn 2 play
     
  9. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Well, being a seasoned, Basilisk level Delta seems like one, so...
     
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  10. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    There might be different tiers of Lhost, and nothing suggest Deva's have the best Lhosts either.

    This is turning into a massive divergence though so i'm going to tap out as its clear hecaton can't back up most of his claims here or in the other thread.
     
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  11. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    If you could disprove what I was saying, you would. Cuervo isn't resurrected, so it's a moot point anyway.
     
  12. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    Just throwing this out there: what if Krit and the Hulang gained Veteran L1? Also Hyperdynamics 1-2 on the Crane, anyone?
     
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  13. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Its pretty hard to disprove rancid complaining. Because its purely opinion.
     
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  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    It's a fact that NWI+Shock Immunity (or other immunity) profiles are entering the game with more frequency, and they are disproportionately on characters, including characters who are either self-inserts or rpg characters of people at CB.
     
  15. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Krit just needs a re-write. Vet on hulangs or cranes would be nice. But dunno about the associated cost increase. And thats the thing, for any of these suggestions, we'd need to see HI get a little cheaper.

    Honestly with the exception of hulang and guijia. I think Yu Jing would gain massively from a tweak of hackable and heavies the most.
    Regardless of what that was... be it getting a discount, or being buffable.

    Cranes I wish just had x-visor and sensor on all profiles. Why hackers can't also have x-visors is beyond me.
     
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  16. Section9

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    I can't figure out what the hell the LX was designed to do.

    If it's supposed to drop in and raise hell, it has a hideous vulnerability added that a basic Tiger does not in the form of hacking. It's 7pts more expensive than a Tiger for -Mimetism, -1WIP, +1ARM, +3BTS, +NWI+Bioimmunity. OK, and the 'goomba stomp' Explode LX, which is painfully situational but entertaining if you can make it work.

    LIÚ XĪNG Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 39)
    TIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)

    You want my minimal-effort 'fix' for the Liu Xing? Give it Tinbot B/Deflector L2, so anyone trying to hack it is eating a -6WIP.
     
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  17. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Be less attractive than the Tiger Soldier.
     
  18. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Its a flexible heavy infantry specialist drop troop made for opportunistic plays. I don't think the spitfire does bring anything better than a tiger who is optimised for shooting and not moving a lot.

    Classic defensive perimeters involve template weapons, mines and expendable units. All of which totally ruin a tiger attack. But a liu xing can easily punch through and create a weakness in the lines to exploit. But hackers are new defensive tool, one which a tiger ignores, this creates a duality in vanilla yu jing that I love.
    I don't know what they were thinking in IA, I think they went too hard on the heavy infantry theme.

    Sometimes theres an opening for an explode drop hail mary, and it can be devastating or a total flop. Its probably why I like the multi the best, as a dispersed drop still often leaves you with a midfield specialist.
    Its best not to think of explode as something you always use. Its a skill of opportunity. Having 2 wounds also opens up plays like leaving cover to remove cover from the enemy - which provides more decisive FtF rolls adding to the Liu order efficiency when clearing back lines.
    This is a move you should never do with a tiger, as the risk of taking that unlucky wound and ending your attack is too high.
     
  19. Section9

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    I was comparing Spitfire v Spitfire for convenience.
     
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  20. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Well-Known Member

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    it is more common knowledge that no one takes AHDs and every non marker hacker is in danger of being brainfried
    at the same time SOMEHOW there is a non-stop hacking terror for hackable units if this forum is to be believed

    so what is it?
     
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