Yu Jing Fluff - Perception, Reality, Desire

Whereas I think that authoritarians have only one mandate - to keep order. Organized crime is a challenge to the authority of the state and must be crushed. Protecting the citizenry is a secondary concern.

*shrug*

 

FTFY

 

I still maintain the flaw is looking Yu Jing and their actions from a western democratic viewpoint and out of context.

It is an armed revolt against an authoritarian regime, everyone supporting it even by been passive about it is an enemy of the state there are no "civilians", the armed forces of the rebels use civilian areas for their operations and the civilians do not fight them or at least flee, they are collaborators, that been said I do feel Yu Jing response in Uprising is tame, for what Yu Jing are, no ethnic purging, no mass shootings, no organised retaliatory round ups, even the mass graves continuously mentioned is from one quote that can be taken into context as referring to the dead because of the revolt, n other source makes reference to any organised civilian rounding up and execution.

Again we are talking about a regime that is Authoritarian and sees any challenge to its authority as at best supreme insult, they went on rampage when triads stormed a courthouse and now we deal with an armed revolt from an ethnic group everybody thought the party was too tolerant for their antics.

Even the fact that post uprising they are just having the Kuraimori under martial law and some Justice is still been held (one agent has been apprehended) is surprisingly tame for what they could have done.

And again ISS are not good guys, they are not evil, but they will not consider anyone's life over their duty to the state empire and the emperor.

Is uprising dark? yes, are Yu Jing "evil" no, they are Yu Jing and deal with a situation as Yu Jign would, are Kuge evil? eh maybe? they are definitely self centred megalomaniacs who would rather see the rest of Japan pay a massive price than they loose their aristocratic privileges (when they really do not need them they had huge fortunes inside Yu Jing, ok they could not do whatever they wanted, but still).

For me PanO is more of the victim here it was (manipulated and) dragged into this and risked a lot for nothing, sure they irked Yu Jing and some corporations from some lobbies got some lucrative contracts, who cares if they did nothing they would get the same result or better, if Uprising failed Yu Jing would have to police everything and PanO would have lost nothing.

 

Yeah not me, I constantly have the shits at "Muh dead Ateks, PanO also evil".

 

You just value things differently; it's not a matter of pessimism vs. optimism. There is no indication that the fluff based around this event is intended to portray Yu Jing as competent or heroic, but rather as villainous and pratfallish. You, however, think that Yu Jing players or just fans of a more well-developed setting in general's complaining is odious, and thus argue against it, saying that they have no basis for complaining, when really you mean they have no right to do so.

 

Don't scare me with the battletech talk, do you remember when the most capellan mechs out there were called Cataphract, Catapult, Raven and Vindicator? Now everything is zhegedongxi. Draconis combine used to have one mech called a dragon. Now everything is a konichiwasamuraidesu with a kabuto helmet and back banners. Flanderization level 100.

 

This is highly unlikely to be their viewpoint considering the current and historical behavior of the PRC. @Section9 already gave some good evidence for why their viewpoint *wouldn't* be as you describe, and you're ignoring it, because you're working backwards from the assumption that the writing *does* make sense, as opposed to asking the question of "Does the writing make sense?," which you seem to think is verboten.

Why do you think that Yu Jing has departed so heavily from the attitude towards insurrection that Mao and the PRC hold? Why does Yu Jing have a blind spot towards gaining popular support that the current PRC doesn't?

 

err, If you had no right to complain this thread would have been locked long ago. lol

I guess you forget that after the clan invasion, the Capellans make quite the comeback and exploit the fed-com civil war to make their nation strong again. There are also a lot of new Capellan mechs made during this time.

This is very much a case of breaking down a nation to rebuild it stronger than it was before.

 

If you don’t want to have your argument interpreted as that, stop making arguments that can only be interpreted that way.
TLDR; stop being disingenuous.

 

I do not think Yu JIng are the PRC and will never be the PRC, they are a fictional entity that started from the base of PRC and evolved to an entirely different beast, I do think their world view is entirely different form the present day PRC and the way they approach problems and how they will solve them is entirely different.

 

Now that you mention it, I don't think Yu Jing even considers itself communist any more. What is the Emperor's law based on anyway? Confucianism?

"and you're ignoring it, because you're working backwards from the assumption that the writing *does* make sense, as opposed to asking the question of "Does the writing make sense?"

Hmm, maybe? I guess I don't see Yu Jing as the PRC in the future.That could be the disconnect between our viewpoints. Yu Jing's capital, major cities, cultural centers, etc, aren't even in China anymore.

 

Its "Imperial Socialism", basically Today's China with the head of state running the judiciary as an Emperor.

 

Ok, I opened up my rulebook 1st edtion P.30:

"Maoist ideals, already damaged by the original Cultural Revolution, were little by little eroded through generations that grew up with no dogma: no Emperor, no gods, no Maoism, No Taoism, no Buddhism; nothing that had defined chinese identity since the beginning of history. China's leaders launched a new cultrual revolution, but inverse to the last one, to control this situation. The "traditional" chinese values were restored but sifting them through the Party's doctrine. Historic "religions" were re-established by law, under tutelage of the state."

So no, Yu Jing is most certainly not Maoist or Communist anymore in anyway.

P. 31

"Confucianism is the official religion of the Imperial System and preaches the citizen's obedience to a wise and benevolent power.

I knew I read about Confucianism in Yu Jing. So no, its most certainly not Today's China. No Imperial Socialism here. Its Confucianism. This most certainly explains why the ISS is so harsh.

 

Yeah and all that shit was already baked into the lore so it has nowhere near the impact of something happening literally now. That stuff may have affected people first getting into the game with faction choices and such, this event is ripping a faction in half and beating the shit out of one of the halves lore wise.

I mean I'd be less upset now after all the trolling and wait-and-seeing of yu jing players since ENOUGH first happened but whatever. Then again calling this just a "setback" is pretty funny.

 

But this is just a setback. Losing the JSA is hardly crippling to Yu Jing. If anything, the Japanese have been crippled more by the split though they seem on the path to recovering.

I guess I'm a patient guy by nature. *shrugs

 

Neither is China today buddy,

 

Separatist leanings isn’t rebellion.

 

The point being is that Yu Jing would not follow what the PRC does today. So arguing that uprising is poor writing because its not what the PRC would do is nonsense.

"Separatist leanings isn’t rebellion."

Yeah, but strong separatist sentiments makes the JSA split not come out of nowhere. It makes sense it could happened.

 

Also, without the option of a peaceful secession, separatism is either rebellion or bullshit.