Yu Jing Fluff - Perception, Reality, Desire

It's more of a critique of an attempt at worldbuilding.

 

So how about you make your critique after you read the book and make the effort on your critique to not be offensive?

 

Hey, I'm not the one doing Gutier the disrespect of assuming he's so childlike he can't handle criticism.

This whole release we've been told to wait before criticizing the hype but it seems like it's only gotten worse, with the most pessimistic predictions coming true. Yu Jing's roster decimated, a tone-deaf marketing hype article that was supposed to 'explain' things, warcors shilling left, right, and center to preserve their privileged status and early release access, and apparently trite, poorly written fluff that doesn't live up to the promises of the setting.

 

Quick question: who here has read the book?

A slightly more specific question: of those telling others to read the book, while also defending the fluff, who has read the book?

 

The escalation continues:

- first it was "wait, maybe JSA units will be able to be played in both YJ and JSA"

- then it was "wait, maybe you'll keep something besides the ninja"

- then "wait, you'll get Invincible in May"

- after that, "don't worry, you'll have an article talking about the future of YJ"

- later, "wait, maybe Yu Jing wont be treated like a ridiculous cartoon villain"

- and finally it was "wait till the book comes out, psychotic Crane is absolutely not talking about mass killings of civils and other war crimes"

Now that the book is out and all of these former excuses are debunked and it's clear Yu Jing is the laughing stock of the setting what's the new excuse for shitty writing and fucking up your customers? Genuinely curious

 

A few points in response to this; (catching up after a busy week so forgive me)
1. How did YJ allow Japan (or whatever) to gain recognition by O-12? Are you telling me they’re so incompetent they didn’t ensure they have a veto? They’re a founding member of O-12 ffs. Every other member save PanO is one BECAUSE YJ ALLOW THEM TO BE.
2. Why don’t YJ nuke Tokyo? Seriously. There is no downside for YJ in that.
3. Ariadna don’t even have their own spaceship. Why didn’t pano and YJ just split the planet between them?
4. Why are PanO and YJ even rivals when they could be partners and own everything? In fact,the stateempire could become a bloc within PanO and outvote all the others. Apparently future China has forgotten how to manipulate people...

 

Future China has forgotten everything that defines China it seems, because we all know for wanker nerds only Japan is cool in the East and omgimagineiftheyhadspacesamurais

 

Oh, I forgot point 5.
Hi Nomads, nice motherships you’ve got there.
It sure would be a shame if someone let all the air out.

 

There are no veto powers in the O-12.

They learned the only lesson that the UN has to teach - veto powers for anyone is fucking stupid.

 

But @psychoticstorm promised that wasn’t true,”just wait til you read the book”.
That’s why people feel buddyfucked here.

 

1 The same way PanO lost Ariadna because Yu Jing made a coalition and blocked their demands to claim the planet because the Ariadna nation were colonists of their territories.
2 Don't know maybe illegal? maybe they consider it their territory and nuking it would be a waste of their own territory? PanO would definitely have something to say about the fallout for sure.
3 Because Yu Jing would rather have Ariadna as an independent major power than risk PanO legally gaining custody of the planet and yet another planet full of resources, plus this way they enacted the colonisation act and did what you mostly said they should do, Ariadna is not PanO to shove them out.
4 Why are nations rivals and not cooperate for a better humanity? because ideological and cultural differences are bigger than cold calculated logic.

5 Because Nomads fleet is not something to trifle with, would cripple any nation going solo against them and open them to their enemies, besides, the motherships are not the biggest concentration of Nomads population, the Nomads nation performs a critical role in doing shady business outside of Alephs investigative gaze (and why it was created in the first place) and Nomad workers are used by virtually everybody for exo works. for the trouble they cause they worth so much more to have them around.

 

Because the South China Sea and the Sea of Japan are actually YJ territorial waters now, given that every single bit of the surrounding land masses are YJ?

 

It would and quite probably the first location captured would be the UN building in New York, since it is clearly an enemy installation in this circumstance.

 

And I still maintain it, as I read it ISS incidents happened after Japans independence and are isolated the bulk of the fighting happened by IA, the vast majority of support happened before the uprising by making pro Japanese material for Maya showing Japanese as the victims and doctoring Yu Jing as fascist oppressors.

It is important to read the book to get the nuances of the events and form your own opinion about the events and the characters involved.

 

He can take criticism, you on the other hand do not know how to make criticism, at least not without insulting the thing you criticise and please stop assuming things you do not know, Warcors are nothing like what you describe.

 

I was thinking that, being an operation of deploying soldiers from China/Orbit into Japan, considering how it was mostly a "domestic deployment", it was 25.000 front-liners, but it's the same point, frankly: frontline troops dead in spades, replacement gear and bodies hard to get, etc...

His posts since this began were two until today: one that was just promotion for the JSA while it was supposed to address the YJ player's worries, and yesterday's "guide", which was working nice until the last 2 pages of data where neutrality went out of the window and obvious judgments were inserted on the narrative.

Either a document is "ingame" or "outgame", or you give a way to separate both parts. Throwing it as a mess is lazy, and insulting, frankly.

According to the RPG book, there is no single vote veto per se. However, O-12/Concilium has 4 seats in the "12 seats, need 9 to approve what the senate says" (Aleph has one), so for all intents and realities, we can assume that JSA was recognized as a nation after all this mess because the option was mostly open internal war, and O-12 was not in a position to effectively control PanO and YJ with the CA at the door.

Can you please stop saying the same thing? You have been repliying to all and any criticism to the mess that started with the images and the crane agent declarations saying "wait and see". You do realize that once any of us grabs a copy of the book and starts quoting it to you, your credibility will plummet from 40% to minus nine thousand?

If you wanna defend that book so bad, give arguments.

1) Read my previous 2 posts. It was possible, but in essence it meant the whole upper political echelons of the Human Sphere were into the game, kept it from YJ, approved everything with the opposition of YJ, etc...
Kinda surreal, frankly, and very dangerously pushing the second power of humanity into further alienation when actual alliens are banging at the door...

2) I think we can assume that any kind of nuclear detonation made by a government into Earth will be... unwise. For all.

3) Because PanO wanted it all for its corps, and the rest of the big powers (Haqquislam, Nomads, and O-12) were against it. YJ casting the decisive vote... would need further detailing, since the O-12 political chambers that are not the Oberhouse (senate) can do wathever they want if they vote unanimously regardless of YJ and PanO votes.

4) Uncompatible philosofies and cultures. PanO is governed by lobbies of corporations, and follows a "your value is measured by your riches" approach, while YJ is more socialist, with a "parlamentary monarchy" so to speak. And no one wants to be nº2

Yet there is, Concilium can prevent anything from happening thanks to its 4 votes in the 12 seats council that needs 9 to approve stuff.

I ask you again. Have you read it? Last time I ask, frankly, beause I simply feel like you either have blocked me (kinda ilogical thing to do for a moderator) or are ignoring the question because the answer is no.
Faith is great, just try not to impose it to others.

 

All the posters asking if people have read the book (Dude, PS, myself) have read the book.

 

Did you just tell everyone to trust everyone defending the book with wait and see by telling us the guy attacking the book has also read it.

I'm not sure I trust your interpretations of the subtle nuances of language.

In fact. I think you just tipped me over the line on who's take on this I'm trusting right now.

 

By making a purely factual statement? OK. :waving_white_flag:

 

Ummm... yeah... all of the folks who have read the book are defending it... no one who has read the book is attacking it. And, wrapped up in your “point”, you insult the reading comprehension of those of us who have read it? Bold move, Cotton.