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Your feeling about PanO and N5?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Bignoob, Oct 8, 2024.

  1. SpectralOwl

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    I don't think the support is there yet, and our TAGs are getting worse and worse compared to rival factions who have been enjoying a degree of power creep while ours stay the same (or lose TacAware like the Cutter...). I'm struggling to come up with any categories where PanO still has a top 3 contender outside "Has MSV3". Best bet for now may sadly be to keep it cheap so you can shell out for the multiple redundant Hackers and scoring pieces you will need.
     
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  2. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Now all profiles can join to the Crosiers/Teutonic K, no more FTO. Even when Fireteams aren't as good as they were in N5, they are still quite useful.

    Right now, the one with HRL have still same use as it had in N4. You can do a BlackFriars with two Teutonic K, or Crosiers, you will have a really good ARO piece, same as N4, better than regular in N5, and cheapest than N4 one. Only a few troops have now immunity to surprise attack and multivisor through smoke tactic, even is better than regular ones, because if someone can shoot ignoring smoke it will have a -3 to shoot this guy thanks to Albedo -3, which is better than N4 one.

    We lost the multisnipper, but have a better thing, burst 3 thunderbolt, visor+albedo, really good to bring down those ARO pieces with mime+multivisor. Again, you can link this guy to easily have the special extra dice, almost a no linked HMG for 0 SWC.

    Even, if you have the multi rifle choice, in a 3 crucifer link+blackF Multi Rifle... you will discover impersonators and camo markers almost automatically if they don't have covert. Maybe this is the worst version, but still usable. The others two now are great, n5 flavor, I think. We will see in a few weeks if I understood well the N5 melody.

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  3. QuantronicWombat

    QuantronicWombat Well-Known Member

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    Mulebot + cheap Teuton panzerfaust Duo makes for a decent ARO roadblock. The +1SD from the Duo makes them more likely to hit without blowing through ammo, and if you don't kill them they'll rearm by the next turn.
     
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  4. Crusader

    Crusader HI connoisseur

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    Like a knight and his trusty old horse.
     
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  5. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I have said it many times, not sure if I said it here but.

    N5 PanOceania is the most PanO, PanO has ever been.
     
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  6. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    I personally feel a lot more freedom in list building in all of our armies with the new edition and Fireteam changes. No need to chase the BS+3, so easier to stop at Level 3.
     
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  7. QuantronicWombat

    QuantronicWombat Well-Known Member

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    I thought I'd never say this, but I think I might take Bipandra sometimes.
     
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  8. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Now is almost, and only almost, a must. I'm really happy with many changes. Winter now is far way better. I already played (N4) an really really expensive boyg haris... but I did because miniature is cool. Now I think I could bring him on the table always, on every list. Boyg mk12+Nisse HMG are a terrible duo now, no bonuses but... what. Even you can add Shona, so if some hide too much you can go and walk in a "I will find you" way, like in the Liam Neeson movies.
     
  9. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    I fully agree with both of these. Listbuilding feels much less restricted. Or rather will feel this way once I'll stop trying to fit every cool thing into a single list.

    What I particularly like is new options and ways to use old units, like expanded Engineer utility, or TA on Sensor remotes. I also see better differentiation, like Locusts getting 1-use Camo over Nokken. Units like Boyg fixed. Some crazy stuff, like Drummers and Crux Team introduced. In general, it feels like the lists and games will be much more interesting now.

    I still think that MO could see some more changes - especially Order Sergeants who were basically untouched - but I'm not complaining, the general net result is a big positive

    edit: 19 orders single group Kestrel list. I feel fine

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  10. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    MO can see more changes, hopefully they will.
     
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  11. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    They really don't need much. Some fireteam tweaks, Order Sergeants getting more interesting (and I will die on the hill that they should have ft purity with knights), Knight Commander getting Strategos and +1CT option...

    I hope that any MO CoC will be a full knight though. One, because it fits the army and keeps it distinct from others. Two, because it'll piss off people claiming that not having a cheap CoC makes army bad XD
     
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  12. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Duos having an actual use now gives so much freedom. Level 4 Core of Crosiers + Black Friar, sprinkle in at least two Knight Duos, maybe three, Tertiaries to taste. Beautiful.
     
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  13. Daireann

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    Is it an error or cutter really not going to have tactical awareness?
    Seems like that. Or very dirty attempt to make old units of abandoned sectorials less interewting.
    In Cutter's case it is not exactly like that. He is still ok. But tacawar lost is not nice at all.

    Other things are fine. I am waiting for beyond box, kestrel expansion and Priya so much!
    So, methioning all plusses and minuses I am happy for now. (not all in our community or people ai know would agree, but anyway.)
     
  14. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    It's not nice but also not underhanded. Avatar, Salamandra, and I think something else lost theirs too. I'd say it's fine, they're still powerful and capable.[/QUOTE]
     
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  15. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Lost tactical awareness gained NCO, so not that different and it can use its "extra" order from hidden deployment unlike tactical awareness.
     
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  16. Wizzy

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    Here's a post for indexing preliminary reaction articles and video, to the N5 version of the generalist and its sectorial armies.


    Articles :
    Generalist & Secorials

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    Videos :
    Generalist

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    Sectorial
    - Svalarheima WinterFor N5 Initial Reaction - Breaking the Ice - Infinity the Game N5

    - Kestrel Colonial Force N5 Initial Reaction - Close Enough, Welcome Back Shock Army - Infinity N5

    - Military Orders N5 Initial Reaction - We are so [Not] Back - Infinity the Game N5

    - Tactical Awareness S3 Ep04 - ZEROES & HEROES Faction Reviews - Pan Oceania Part 1 - Military Orders


    Tier list global with a chapter on this faction
    - Infinity N5 All Factions Tier List - Deranged, Two Days Since Release, Hot Take Edition

    - Episode 132 - N5 Faction Tierlist
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCf46MeSE84
     
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