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Wildcards (not) replacing all Fireteam core Troopes

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Hachiman Taro, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    On the most recent episode of Mayacast (podcast) they stated that Gutier (Infinity's designer) had stated directly that Fireteam Cores must have a Trooper in them that had the original Fireteam Core profile.

    So no 4x Authorised Bounty Hunter Wildcards + 1 Rui Shi 'Zuyong' core in Dahshat for example. It must have a Zuyong in it.

    So questions:

    Is this an official ruling?

    Where was it actually said? Was it in text where it can be referred to?

    Also they said that 'Counts as' troops still count as the original core trooper. This makes sense in many ways (eg a Dire Foe counting as the same type as their base line troop), but leads to some similar fireteams as the 'all wildcard' ones - eg a 'Securitate' fireteam core made up of 3 Grenzers, Raoul Spector and Perseus (ie, no Securitate). I assume this is still ok then?

    Also, how does this apply to other types of Fireteam. For example, can a wildcard replace a member of a special specifically named Duo Fireteam?
     
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  2. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    We don't know.
     
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  3. Musterkrux

    Musterkrux Well-Known Member

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    I'm waiting for something written, clear as day, in one of the following locations before I consider this more than just a rumor/slip of the tongue:

    • Updated Rulebook
    • Errata/FAQ document
    • Wiki
    • Rules Forum (ie. here)
    Preferably, in that order of priority/importance.
     
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  4. gregmurdock

    gregmurdock Extremely Beloved Member

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    This is pretty important since Bipandra is just a wildcard and no longer has the text "counts as a Fusilier for fireteam composition".
     
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  5. Musterkrux

    Musterkrux Well-Known Member

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  6. gregmurdock

    gregmurdock Extremely Beloved Member

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    u monster
     
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  7. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    Is this the modern version of "I asked the developers at a convention, and they gave me a rules answer"?

    What a developer (allegedly) states on an alleged podcast isn' an official rules statement or errata.
     
  8. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Yeah i add my voice to "something this major needs text"

    Not as a go at gutier, more as, the potential interaction with this and the various ways to build links is complex and needs to be spelled out in detail if its going to be changed
     
  9. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    Didn’t Gutier do the exact same thing with Tactical Awareness, requiring to be the link leader in order to be used, which turned out to be not as intended (despite RAW)?
     
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  10. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    He did
     
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  11. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect

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    Paging @ijw as resident fireteam expert.
     
  12. Bobman

    Bobman MERC
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    Exactly this. So one time at band camp doesn’t mean anything.
     
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  13. ijw

    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    I'm waiting on further clarification.


    Note that this is only in Neoterra. In Varuna she is 'just' a Fusilier.
     
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  14. konuhageruke

    konuhageruke Well-Known Member
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    I really, really hope that there will be a limit of "counts as" and "wildcard" in single fireteam. Maximum one of each. But this is just me :) Wining on lack of those in Bakunin...
     
  15. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    As far as Im aware it's a request for any further clarification or information about the clarification claimed on the podcast that anyone might be able to provide on the rules forum.

    Also, you keep using that word ('allegedly'). I don't think it means what you think it means ;)
     
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  16. ijw

    ijw Wargaming Trader, Freelance Editor (UK)
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    That's... incredibly unlikely.
     
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  17. dlfleetw

    dlfleetw Well-Known Member
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    Not again...

    Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
     
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  18. konuhageruke

    konuhageruke Well-Known Member
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    I know :(
     
  19. FatherKnowsBest

    FatherKnowsBest Red Knight of Curmudgeon

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    Would be better than the soup that its become
     
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  20. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    That would really screw a lot of the newer sectorials. Especially since a lot of the characters have 'counts as' instead of a specific statement like Kusanagi's special fireteam note.
     
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