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(Wild) Speculations about the rework of Corregidor

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by Ben Kenobi, Feb 24, 2019.

  1. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Probably not. One of those troops will need the Duo skill. The requirement for Duo is that it's a valid combination (it is) and that one of the members of the Duo has the Fireteam: Duo skill (neither do right now).
     
  2. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    Massacre, Lupe and Daktari seems likely to be a valid Haris tho, and a nice one too. Just leave Massacre behind or get him killed (not as the link leader) to get your duo ;)
     
  3. Freki

    Freki Active Member

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    I fail to see the added value in this Haris for Lupe.
    0 swc Panzer on BS12 instead of 11? Mimetism for a group that smokes/eclipse its way through?
    The Daktari will push the buttons. So I'll keep this expensive wildcard for something else.

    My opponent of tonight agreed on using the new FTs. I'll be playing supplies and I'll have the MB HMG with the daktari in tow to capture a first one quickly in an order efficient manner
     
  4. SmaggTheSmug

    SmaggTheSmug Well-Known Member

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    While a shotgun sculpt is missing, I was talking about AVA. Wildcats have AVA 5 and you'd need 6 to have a Core with one Wildcard and a Haris with the other.
     
  5. Fabbo

    Fabbo Questionator

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    Hmm... When I have Daktari in a link, she loses the ability to use Zondbots. Do I really want to use my (most likely) only doctor without bots?
    I guess that is the trade off when she is used as filler.

    And does it make sense to weaken my own link by having a hacker (Valerya) in it? What is the benefit?
     
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  6. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Well, aside from being a filler, she's also a medic that is where that may be needed as your link moves. It may or may not be a tradeoff depending on what else you may have. Granted, Intruders and the like will almost always mean you have someone you'd want to leave your bot with.
     
  7. Civilized Barbarian

    Civilized Barbarian Praxis' Lead R&D Janitor

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    So this is an entirely legal Alguacile and Mobile Brigada link. I'm thinking mixed links are spiraling out of control.

    [​IMG] Jurisdictional Command of Corregidor──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]5
    [​IMG] LUPE BALBOA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Panzerfaust, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 34)
    [​IMG] TSYKLON Feuerbach, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 34)
    [​IMG] DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] VALERYA GROMOZ Hacker (Hacking Device UPGRADE: Expel) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    2.5 SWC | 126 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
     
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  8. Freki

    Freki Active Member

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    Initially I was not sold about stacking those Tsyklon, but after giving it a second thought, you can actually easily stack them on ARO thx to climbing plus.Just have them on a wall and done, goodluck finding the Z axis to only see one.

    But the Daktari could be replaced by a regular alguacile for 4 points saved with the same impact in game
     
  9. mothman

    mothman Well-Known Member

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    Nah thats nothing the fact that a "GRENZER" link is not defined by it having grenzers in it, but only thing that makes it a grenzer link is having a interventor in it is really silly

    Securitate link vvvvv
    Jurisdictional Command of Tunguska
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────
    [​IMG]5
    GRENZER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    GRENZER (Forward Observer, Sensor) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    GRENZER Spitfire / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    GRENZER (Biometric Visor L1) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    GRENZER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
    3 SWC | 135 Points
    Open in Infinity Army

    grenzer link vvvv
    Jurisdictional Command of Tunguska
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────
    [​IMG]5
    GRENZER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    GRENZER (Forward Observer, Sensor) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    GRENZER (Biometric Visor L1) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    GRENZER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
    INTERVENTOR Hacker Lieutenant (Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle, 1 FastPanda / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    2 SWC | 132 Points
    Open in Infinity Army

    Having less grenzers makes it a grenzer link
     
  10. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    The only problem with this is that you cannot gain partial cover while on a vertical surface.
     
  11. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    I still think that all mixed links should have a restriction - at least one member of the team should be from the 'base' unit.
     
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  12. Civilized Barbarian

    Civilized Barbarian Praxis' Lead R&D Janitor

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    I still think that's BS, if I've got a Reaktion bot hull down and barely peaking over a roof, how is that not cover?

    Petty rant aside, does anyone know if an unconscious REM standing on a wall stays on the wall or falls? We've always just flipped a coin each game in my meta because I'm the only player it matters for.
     
  13. Click2kill

    Click2kill Well-Known Member

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    I think it has to do with Remotes not being able to take the prone position.
     
  14. Civilized Barbarian

    Civilized Barbarian Praxis' Lead R&D Janitor

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    Which makes sense for not getting the high ground cover bonus, but if I'm only exposing a sliver of my model by peaking around a corner or over a roof, how is that less cover than if I were on the ground doing the same?

    I accept this as part of the rules jank, but it never made sense.
     
  15. MindwormGames

    MindwormGames Well-Known Member

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    I agree that it is stupid. Climbing Plus should allow you to get Partial Cover. In fact, the Climbing Plus rule should literally just say, "Climbing Plus allows the user to treat Vertical surface as Horizontal for all purposes."

    Done. Why CB got to make it so complicated?
     
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  16. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, does not make much sense.
    But RAW it is clear:
    However, as with the Climb Skill, the user cannot benefit from Partial CoverMODs as long as he is on a vertical surface.​
    http://infinitythewiki.com/de/Climbing_Plus

    Also, the rules for Unconscious say:
    • Automatic Special Skills and Automatic Equipment have no effect while Unconscious.
    And Climbing Plus is an Automatc Skill from the Special Skills category.
    So RAW say you have to deal with falling damage as well...
     
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  17. Civilized Barbarian

    Civilized Barbarian Praxis' Lead R&D Janitor

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    Yup, that's why I'm not campaigning to fix it, just pissing into the wind because it's a slow work day.
     
  18. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    FYI, this was a deliberate change from N2 when you could get cover whilst climbing/jumping so I'm not sure it'll change back any time soon.
     
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  19. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Dak may get AVA 2 but may also have a limit of 1 Wildcard.

    If it's important you can take an undropped Tomcat. They aren't that upcosted, add a dtw to the deployment, and climbing+ is good for doctoring.
     
  20. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Climb is not an Automatic skill though. All Climbing Plus allows you to do is use the Climb skill with less restrictions. You are still climbing.

    The real question is if the "automatically fall Prone unless a trooper type that cannot" cancels the "no prone while climbing" rule making you fall or if it means you cannot go prone even while climbing and unconscious.