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Why use Morat, Shasvastii, Sygmaa Units in Onyx?

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Golem2God, Feb 11, 2018.

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Which, if any, of these units should I buy/pick up for Onyx?

  1. Suyats

    8.5%
  2. Malignos

    51.1%
  3. Noctifers

    74.5%
  4. Maakrep

    19.1%
  5. Fraacta

    51.1%
  6. Overdron

    51.1%
  7. Xeodrons

    51.1%
  8. Sphinx

    68.1%
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  1. Magno

    Magno Well-Known Member
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    The TAGs are fun every once in awhile. Running super jump duo with a super jumping Samaritan is pretty awesome.

    The Overdrons are a hoot to bring when you KNOW you’ll be playing vs a stellar MSV unit; Intruders, Atalanta, Aguila Guards, etc..

    It’s pretty satisfying to reserve hold an HRMC Overdron and see your opponent trying to sniper nest an MSV Ranged.

    Malignos are pretty fun TO troops that people often forget have that Automedkit.

    On more than a few occasion, I’ve taken an objective with a Maligno in round 3 after my opponent walks away from it.
     
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  2. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Oh yeah, and don't forget. You can always take monofil mines on Malignos to really mess with people.
     
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  3. Flipswitch

    Flipswitch Sepsitorised by Intent
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    People hate dealing with Malignos, the automedikit and Shasvastii rule really irritate people.

    Shame about the aids models.
     
  4. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Eh, if you're just playing onyx you can pretty much pick and choose the best shasvastii models you want to use as proxies, and it's not likely to cause confusion when you're capped at a maximum of 4. My primary malignos is a caliban, and if im using either as a sniper i've got the haiduk.
     
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  5. Flipswitch

    Flipswitch Sepsitorised by Intent
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    I use my Tohaa Clipsos, because building that starter box model fucked me off so much I'm gonna get use out of her.

    plus when someone asks about the proxy I can quickly waffle some "Sygmaa....." BS at them.
     
  6. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Cliosos is axtyactu oetfper Shrouded. That's my plan, too.

    Shrouded model so ugly.
     
  7. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Lol, WTH happened here?!
     
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  8. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Auto correct. Somehow.

    Clipsos is totally the perfect Shrouded.
     
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  9. sgthulka

    sgthulka Well-Known Member

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    You don't have smoke. That means it's difficult to pass through contested firelanes without winning gunfights. You also don't have a heavy infantry link. That means if you lose a gunfight you're generally SOL because your best gunfighters only have one wound. That means that Onyx is very easily locked down with an unlucky roll or two.

    That's why you need Shasvastii or Fractaa. Shasvastii, with camo, can go into marker state to pass through firelanes. Fractaa can drop behind enemy lines or walk on table edges to avoid firelanes. Between the possible versions, the Malignos is one of the least efficient TO camo shasvastii. The Fractaa is one of the most efficient drop troops in the game. And the Noctifer is one of the most efficient TO camo units in the game (though people often use it as ARO piece instead, using up all its AVA).

    You have access to the Morat rule. That, alone, is enough to make you want to take Morats, considering all the Mutts running around these days. I would never play a Onyx tournament without taking at least one list with a 4 Morats so I can hunt down Mutts. Otherwise, a good Mutt player will completely lock down the objectives with jammers.

    Those are, as I see it, the reason to take Morats, Fractaa and Shasvastii in Onyx.
     
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  10. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with most of what you said, but don't forget that your Unidrons (if you took them) have Dogged, so are a little more surviveable in ARO if you need them to be (at the expense of a guaranteed loss of them next turn).
     
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  11. Ginrei

    Ginrei Well-Known Member

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    I love Rodoks. I use them predominantly as active turn killers and board control. Comparing them in both sectorials, the Onyx group is much stronger because they can link with Umbras or a Nexus.

    However, when looking at each sectorial individually, I find things more complicated. Even though they are stronger in Onyx, they compete with Unidrons and that's a tough battle to win. Being able to reform to full strength when members die helps offset their fragile 1 wound nature. I've taken two HMGs and rambo'd them knowing if i take a wound I can reform and keep on going. Once they're up the table B4 light or B3 boarding shotguns are fun. Forward deployed Umbras work well to replace a downed Rodok but careful placement of a Nexus works. The Nexus can reinforce the Unidrons or Rodoks making it a great cheerleader.

    Rodoks may not be more fragile in MAF, but their fireteam is. Their 5AVA with nothing else capable of joining really hurts. They also compete with another great fireteam here too, the Hungries. Rodoks do provide an option to move specialists in MAF which is harder to come by than in Onyx.

    I often play MAF or Onyx with two 5 man fireteams which gives me plenty of table coverage and options. I always do this to fit Rodoks into my lists. I use my command tokens to swap between them and the other fireteams mentioned. Having them unlinked makes them well suited for coordinate orders. Whether it's mines or BS attacks. Doing so does put a strain on my command tokens but i find this style of play fun. One weakness however is that none of these fireteams really offer suppression fire. The combi Rodok is too expensive, K1 Unidrons need SWC, and Hungries speak for themselves.

    I think Rodoks are a wonderful unit. They may not be first choice in many situations but their versatility really gives me a change in playstyle from more popular Onyx lists. And really... who doesn't love a sexy Morat blasting away with his double shotguns?
     
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  12. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    My opponents...
     
  13. Obeisance

    Obeisance Well-Known Member

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    Two five man fireteams?

    I thought you could only have one and a Haris.

    I'm a tohTo player, I don't know how things work. =P
     
  14. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    You can have to two core teams, just not at the same time. If you bring 5 Unidrons and 5 Rodoks (or Nexus, etc.) you can form a fireteam from either one as the situation calls for.
     
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  15. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    A reminder that this is a remark on list composition in Onyx rather that some rule :wink:

    In terms of rules, yes, you can have only one Core, but you can form a fireteam out of whatever can form it during the game as long as you don't exceed cap on number of fireteams of that type. This is not something you need to pre-determine during list building or anything.
     
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  16. sanyv

    sanyv Active Member

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    Except you cannot reform the hungries fireteam after deployment
     
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  17. Aldo

    Aldo Trying to detox from being a lorefag

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    Especially in Onyx.
     
  18. Golem2God

    Golem2God Just a Kooky Kumotail serving others.

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    In that case, I was wondering what do you think of a "duo core" list like this:
    [​IMG] Onyx Contact Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] RODOK Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK Paramedic (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] RODOK HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] RODOK Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] NEXUS Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON K1 Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 17)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] UNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] NEXUS Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
    This is not a mission based list but an "all-comer", " going in blind" one. What is your opinions on this and how would you take a Unidron+Rodok list for certain missions?
     
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