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Whitte Banner Review

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Onisa, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. Onisa

    Onisa Member

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    The long wait has finally arrived! We already have the great White Banner in our ranks. And from the start after a quick look there are very interesting things. Much camo, profiles with very high cc, viewfinders and mimetism, mines, smoke, remote with mines camouflage and two panzer. climb plus. Cores and haris with many scary characters and options. Initially it looks very good although it will cost us to make the links because there are expensive profiles. At last we can make the long-awaited full camo list with hundun, guilangs, dao feis, Yao fang. And we can also expect lists with some camo and jammer and madtraps weapons. in addition to very killer profiles in cc. This is what I see from the profiles:


    QUICK PROFILE ANALYSIS

    ZANSHIS: the usual and with the option of core but ava 4 because nobody wants 5 zanshis! The grenade launcher in core is interesting and now we can defend it with jammer or linked madtraps if we want to put the liutenant here.

    TIAN GOU: well-optimized troop with holo 1 and 360 viewer. With jammer at vol 14 and that can link in any fireteam. If we have core with jammer and we will have the bonus of r2 and +3. Very beast. Let's not forget how beautiful it is to have a holo 1 with jammer in core or haris. We can hide the jammer with another profile and hunt them down.

    HUNDUN: A camouflaged troop that looks like the old raiden, you have a 26-point missile launcher and BS13 with X scope. And the surprise of the day you have a precision rifle with scope 1 that you can camouflage among other camos, it is a great hunter for 31 points!. Hopefully in N4 they give you the hidden display. But it's not bad at all.

    ADIL MEHMUT: I personally love the profile, its background and thumbnail. You have the option to put it as a veteran, specialist and it is a meat grinder in cc, it has a sensor, NWI, monophile weapon, 2 nanopulsers and is a wildcard. can be CONTROL CHAIN. 37 to 39 points is quite expensive but he gots a lot of things!

    JING Q0: Another beast of CC and not bad shooting because it has mimetism, climbing plus, specialist, NWI, hyperdynamics, and you can duo it with a monk to smoke it and go to the CC with joy.

    DAO FEI: as always. Whoever wants to use the aggressive profile of lieutenant spitfire can now combine it with lei gong or adil chain of command.

    GUILANG: Our good old boys. No news except its AVA 4

    LEI GONG: as always a good profile and wildcard. can be CONTROL CHAIN

    YE MAO: We have a highly optimized IM with 1 viewfinder and mimetism, super jump and with haris. He is also a competent hacker with his BS6 and WIP 13. We can put them on forward deployment cause IM in haris to kill our opponents!

    QUIAN GAO: as always and wildcard.

    JUJAK: An interesting profile due to its cost in points and because it usually has heavy flamethrowers and courage. It has deflector 2 against hackers. and can be in fireteam of shangis. It's not bad at all. Why they are not core?

    SHAN GI: Only one change in the profile, now we have hmg instead spitfire. I dont see why to play it but being one of the few who do core and we will have to eat it. Even so there are some profiles that within a core are not bad. We will see if there are changes in N4.


    BLUE WOLF: Our long-awaited second TAG. The first thing that surprises is its 6-4 movement. CC 23 but without martial arts what I just did not see but we can defend now in CC. It has heavy flamethrowers, courage, hyperdynamics (I understand that we threw the fis at -3 for hyperdynamics, we dodged at 12's not bad) and it has an ap spitfire weapon. Let's not forget that it has R5 from a spitfire AP. As a tag it is not bad. It costs 89 points but we can make a duo with some murderous hacker or engineer which gives it durability. On a negative note it has bli6 and it is still hackable.

    YAO FANG LONG YA: interesting remote camo with two panzer, miner and advanced deployment. The problem is that when you deploy it, everyone will know what it is and only two shots for every panzerfaust. Its too easy get run off ammo. Even so for 20 points it is tremendous because it also has a remote presence

    KUNAI NINJAS: to with sniper or precision rifle. climb plus. It will have to get used to it because it gives the feeling that we are going to lose the ninjas and it is a pity to lose the murderous ninja Hacker. I haven't seen it yet.

    LIANG KAI: for 22 points you have a beast in cc, cc23 AM4, advanced deployment NWI, hyperdynamic 1, mimetism, super jump, religious. Oh, my BUDA, who doesn't? Well smoke and can not link to anyone who has smoke. That's a problem for such a cc-oriented profile. but is ultraoptimized.

    YAO ZAO DISP of 4 that always brightens the day even if we only have the medical zanshi.

    SHAOLIN: The truth is that it is a pity not to have a core or a haris of these adorable warriors. That really hurt me! At least have given us the joy of having a haris! A will please!

    LINK OPTIONS

    CORE

    ZANSHIS: We know our base troops well, we will just want them to fill the core.

    SHAN GIs: These overpriced ips allow us to core and fill it with friends, we can also include a jujak for a shan gi which will make it extremely flexible.
    Even so we have an interesting option because we can put 1 shan gi and two jujaks. Or 1 shangi 3 jujaks and a tian gou. As long as the core is shan gi core with some wild card of core options we can add jujaks to taste. Which is not bad at all.

    HARIS

    SHANGI with tactical awarenes
    YE MAO: highly optimized profiles that can be advanced with wildcards.

    LINKS WILDCARDS

    Tian gou ( our friend of the jammer links in core)
    ADHIL our friend also links in any core, having a bestial cc, sensor and number 2 in addition to specilist and veteran.
    LEI GONG: as always a good profile and wildcard.
    QUIAN GAO: as always and wildcard.


    DUOS

    JING Q0 paired with shaolin monk adds smoke to this beast in cc.
    BLUE WOLF: You can duo with a murderous Ye mao hacker or an engineer and spread love


    LIEUTENANT OPTIONS
    We are not ideal as lieutenants but it is for the simple comparison with the Daoying, which is one of the best lieutenants in the game and we can enjoy in generic and invincible..But we have IPs with 2 wounds and linkeable. Maybe the idea of having an aggressive lieutenant and a chain of command is pretty good.

    Zhanshi: Now you can protect with the tian gou jammer. To keep it well hidden
    Tiger soldier: I never understood it!
    Daofei: interesting option as an aggressive lieutenant and a chain of command on our backs.
    Jujak: It's mid cost but 2 wounds and a heavy flamethrower, not bad.
    Guijà: option as an aggressive lieutenant and a chain of command on our backs.
    Shang Ji: I dont like it, expensive. But it have a light flamethrower!
    Guilang: It would be the ideal if it wasn't for its 2 SWC cost.
    Qiang Gao: Aggressive lieutenant to have link.


    CHAINS

    ADIL: This is fine but its expensive.
    LEI GONG for 32 points is not bad but this is a profile you want to attack! and it's strange to have him on the defensive and with small range arms
     
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  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Huh? It says 15-10 both in English with metrics and in Spanish?
     
  3. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    There are no linkable MAdTraps in WBA. Only the 1st Section Tian Gous can link, and oly the 2st Section get MadTraps.

    I have a feeling CB didn't want 3-5 6-2MOV linked HFTs running around.

    20-10? It's 15-10/6-4 on my screen. Weird.
     
  4. Furiat

    Furiat Mandarin

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    CB needs to leave that name as it is now. Is it spelled twost or seconst?
     
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  5. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    Twost, I'd assume.

    And yeah, unless the st doesn't stand for something else, the names are weird.
     
  6. Onisa

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    Thanxs! I fix the mistakes!
     
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    Shinen Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for your work.
    The Hundun has a Heavy Rocket Launcher, not a Missile Launcher

    good day Sir
     
  8. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    It's fine man. I'll let you know if I see any other oddities.

    Am kind of neck deep in Vanilla stuff on both YJ and PanO ends, since that's where I usually start with new releases. v:
     
  9. archon

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    Not quite as always. As far as I know, they hadn´t a HMG option before. I checked IA and there is the same. Pretty sure, it was a spitfire before the statue from Busy Mind. But in the ancient days of N2 it has the HMG too.

    Oh and TA on the HRL (had they one before?) seems also new.

    Okay ...

    I spot some things in the Army Builder that could be errors:

    Qiang Gao can be in any FT, but he is not a wildcard by the wording.
    The Kunai Ninja is a mechanized troop - I think it should read mercenary troop.
    The Pangguling (FTO - Fire Team Option) with LSG is listed, but it has no link option,
    maybe an Copy Paste error, or hopefully a missing 6th Wildcard ;-)
     
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  10. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    Doesn't matter, he wildcard is not a skill so if the text says he can be part of any FT, he can.

    That's because the FTO doesn't have any link options, that's a deliberate choice. The FTO option remains because you can chose to get a baggage bot with a light shotgun
     
  11. archon

    archon Well-Known Member

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    I do not doubt that, but still a weird wording - why they do not the same wording for wildcards, I hope they will fix that in N4.

    Yes I see. In Vanilla you can choose this Version too.
     
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  12. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    @archon totally agree with you. CB should be consistent with all their wording.
     
  13. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    No, they won't. I just read the Infinity RPG for the first time. Oh, my god. The layout. THE LAYOUT. The completely fucked up page references. The typos. The rules for character creation smeared across a thousand pages. The awfully obfuscated wording indeed. All of that in a live document, the version I saw said v8.3 - still nobody picked those up and fixed them.

    They just can't write rules straight. They don't have actual editors on board. Expect more of the same.
     
  14. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    The RPG is not managed in-house, as far as I know.
     
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    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    I love that new camo remote. That is bonkers good for the points.

    Also this sectrorial has the first 5-man linked jammer without specops. (and on a holoprojector model)
     
  16. Solodice

    Solodice Freshly Squeezed Troll

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    Le fucking sigh. Before you start going off on a rant trip again educate yourself a little bit. Unless you want to keep thread capping then @psychoticstorm needs to leash you up.

    CB has nothing to do with the RPG beyond providing lore and approving newly made lore. Anything else is done by Modiphius.
     
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  17. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    So they do not quality control the product? Thank you for proving my point.
     
  18. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Nearly all of the stuff you complained about is Modiphius' product. CB is the IP owner, but it's Modiphius who produces that particular product and it's Modiphius who is responsible for the product and the quality control, CB controls the IP not the product. The exact details of how much control CB exerts over the product is unknown for us, but it is quite far fetched for us to expect CB to provide an extra layer of quality control when they do not distribute that product because they don't have the staff to do so themselves.
     
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  19. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Every single time I've translated / coordinated translation for Polish editions of RPGs like multiple books for the New World of Darkness by the then White Wolf / CCP, Dark Heresy 2ed by Fantasy Flight Games / Games Workshop, Legend of the Five Rings by AEG (Alderac), et caetera, there always were copies sent for QA / proofchecking, even if only stuff they could do without reading any or much of Polish, both for the preprint PDF and a first print hardcopy - they checked if the layout made sense, if the binding was sturdy, if the colors and illustrations looked right, if the page references were correct, etc.; only then the IP holders permitted distribution of the licensed translation.

    If this is their own "baby", in a language they understand and they still do not do it - that is not an industry standard and it's not far fetched to expect that at all. So I'm surprised and saddened that they do not care to pay attention to such detail - and it shows in all of their text products, unfortunately.
     
  20. inane.imp

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    Worth noting with the Guilang Lt that with 2 x Long Ya's you're getting what is effectively a 1SWC Lt. That's what CJC looks at for a 2 x Moran, Alg Lt set up. It's nothing to sneeze at.
     
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