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... You sure?

Because I'm looking at them, and he dodges worse, deals less damage in CC, lacks AP in CC, lacks AP at range, can't target BTS, can't take cover outside Fireteams, has less ARM/BTS, has Religious Troop instead of Courage, and can't suppressive fire.

He's certainly got his merits, namely Mimetism (-3)/Forward Deploy/Impetuous, but he certainly doesn't do everything better. Especially since Shona can join Varangians who can smoke her up the board.

 

I'm trying to make a White Company list for "LIMITED INSERTION" (Yes, I know, it's not on ITS since Session 11, but we want to test how it would work) and I can't do any, I always want to have more troops than allowed.

Would someone be so kind to help me? It doesn't have to be a top list (which will also be welcome ), a base to start with is enough.

 

Depends a lot on missions, but I would try to squese in a small core and a harris and some skirmishers. Like this:

An orc 4 man core and a kaplan harris.

 

Thanks for the list.

 

Supplies
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GROUP 1 7 2
CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11)
KAPLAN (Doctor) Combi Rifle, Blitzen ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
JUJAK Spitfire, Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20)
AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4)
GROUP 2 8
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 15)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
KARHU Feuerbach(+1B), AP Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 35)
TIGER SOLDIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 31)
5.5 SWC | 299 Points
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My first list I'm planning to run against my friend. The mission is Supplies. The main idea behind this list is that Guilang hacker, Tiger Paramedic and Kaplan Doctor (with Jujak and CSU in his haris team) are going to be main box grabbing specialists. Link of Fusiliers with Haidao for defense. Kahru and Peacemakers as assault pieces. I'm playing against WB so I thought that Kahru with feuerbach will be better than ORC HMG because this list really lacks AP.

I'm open for suggestions. I'm not happy with the number of 10-12 pts infantry models in this list.

 

Sorry, not LI - but seeing our forum so active right now I just wanted to share the list I had great successes with in the last tournaments, just as with some private games while prepping for it.

Frontline
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GROUP 1 10 1
SHONA CARANO Submachine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11)
FUSILIER (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
DANAVAS (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus [UPGRADE: Oblivion (+1B)]) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

GROUP 2 5 1 1
GŪIJIĂ (Lieutenant) MULTI Heavy Machine Gun, Heavy Flamethrower / DA CC Weapon. (2 | 82)
GŪIJIĂ PILOT Submachine Gun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20)
AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 26)

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In the end I didn't use my 2nd list at all - I didn't wanna leave the house without my Guijia, which was always worth its points.
It starts in the second group to engage the enemy defenders and make room for the Shona+Varangian Duo, which sadly in my rounds didn't manage to really penetrate too deep into enemy lines in my first turns.. but well, I had to face two Varuna players in the tournament. Nevertheless, having Shona near the enemy DZ was always a big headache for my opponent, just making some pressure even if she doesn't manage to go on a killing spree in the backline, draining lots of orders. After her demise the Guija can just slot into Group 1, but 7 orders is more than enough for a highly mobile HMG. Still, when it has to push some buttons thanks to my low specialist count it usually has to switch combat groups..

Pretty standard Haidao MSV-link, which proved itself repeatedly - even the Kamaus were sweating in their boots. I didn't really expect them to push in the enemies DZ in one of the matches, but hell, they can shoot.
Peacemaker & Fugazis set up AROs and your average repeater coverage.
With that repeater coverage, the Danava and the two Varangians there isn't much enemy ARO pieces can really do to hinder my movement, I just engage the enemy how and where I want - slicing up the Kamau links in Melee was *lots* of fun.

While I'd love more changes in the list, I can't find points I'm really willing to give up :/

 

Your list looks great. My only concern is lack of engineer and killer hacker in "TAG list".

 

You don’t really need Killer Hackers in a TAG list tbh. And with a Manned TAG an engineer is at most gonna get 1w back.

Hackers can just re Total Control your TAG back if you don’t command token it.

 

Emgineer is a good shout. There's a lot you can repair in that list barring the tag. If your classified comes up as test run, you'd be kicking yourself for not taking an engy

 

Played against vanilla PanO over Looting and Sabotaging using this list


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GROUP 1 10
FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 15)
FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
DANAVAS (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus [UPGRADE: Oblivion (+1B)]) Combi Rifle, Pitcher ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 22)
KARHU (Engineer, Deactivator) MULTI Rifle, Blitzen, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29)
SHONA CARANO Submachine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
HǍIDÀO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
ORC WinterFor (Terrain [Mountain], Climbing Plus]) MULTI Rifle ( | TinBot: Firewall [-3]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 34)
GROUP 2 5 1
CLIPPER DRONBOT Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20)
AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4)
GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
4.5 SWC | 298 Points
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Can I just say how borderline broken burst 3 Oblivion is when you have a repeater network of pano and YJ. Though I must say WC do struggle with any scenery missions as it just hinges on shona or liangkai being our real options for completing them

 

Looks ok. The thing I don't like is Shona wants to get close but Karhu and Hawkwood don't.

 

WhiCo have quite a few linkable engineer options, now we know that D-Charges don't trigger the defense system are they worth trying?

Hawkwood doesn't mind being up close, with CC22, MA1, a Mono CCW and multi pistol he's not top tier but can handle the average mook in CC, also a pseudo 2W unit that's not hackable which is always nice.

 

Do you have confirmation for D-charges not triggering ADS? I was playing L&S recently and I only found thread in Rules that actually said the opposite:

 

I may have been misremembering, sorry.

 

Dang, I was hoping I just missed something that would have made L&S be at least somewhat acceptable :(

 

I played mostly SWF and MO and just started using WC, played a couple of Supplies games with this, and oh boy, it really has things that PanO lacks. Two beasthunters really give some needed defense. It still felt dirty to use smoke though.


wc 1.2
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GROUP 1 8 1 1
FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
KARHU Feuerbach(+1B), AP Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 35)
KARHU (Paramedic) MULTI Rifle, Blitzen, AP Mines ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
BEASTHUNTER FTO (Minelayer) Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust, AP Mines / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 9)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 13)

GROUP 2 5 1 1
NISSE Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 34)
PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20)
AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4)
GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30)
BEASTHUNTERS (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage, Forward Deployment [+8"]) Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust, AP Mines / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 13)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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I ran this list EIC for most of the missions:

EIC Main List
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GROUP 1 8
FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 17)
FUSILIER Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 18)
ORC Varuna Div. (Stealth], Terrain [Aquatic/Jungle]) Feuerbach / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 39)
HǍIDÀO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
SHONA CARANO Submachine Gun, Nanopulser(+1B), Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 27)

GROUP 2 7 1
GŬILÁNG (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30)
GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15)
SIERRA DRONBOT Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 24)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 13)
MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
YÁOZĂO PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
YÁOZĂO PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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I had some awful luck with the ORC Feuerbach on dice rolls, and didn't really have the firepower to deal with a Phoenix ARO link.

I'm not sure what I'd change about this list without a significant re-write. I feel like it's generally solid against general lists but struggles against finely tuned stuff.

 

Meanwhile, this is my Countermeasures list:


EIC Other List
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GROUP 1 10 1
ORC Feuerbach / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 38)
HǍIDÀO (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 21)
FUSILIER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
KAPLAN (Doctor) Combi Rifle, Blitzen ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
KAPLAN Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23)
MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
YÁOZĂO PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
SIERRA DRONBOT Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 24)

GROUP 2 4 1 1
TIGER SOLDIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15)
WARCOR (Sixth Sense) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 13)

4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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