Algs? I don't think they'll fit into White Banner. [emoji14] Nah, something more like Frontoviks are to Line Kazaks rather than Regulars are to Fusiliers. It would let CB build something that fills the Raiden space: linkable in Sectorial perhaps Limited Camo for Vanilla / non-Fireteam usage.
That's definitely something that Yu Jing desperately needs right now: competent low~mid twenty point troopers, both those made to function within and outside of links. We've got a huge selection of overlapping highly-elite HI troopers, and a good set of cheerleaders when bolstered by Kuang Shi, but filling those middle gaps gets painful once you run out of Guilang availability. Give me some of those, an HI Shaolin, a halfway decent TAG, and a motorbike trooper. Mix it in with the Tigers, Daofei, and regular Shaolin, and I'm a happy boy.
Weibang, Rui Shi and Lui Duan all say hi. [emoji14] Although, to be fair Guilang aren't particularly 'low~mid twenty point troopers'. They're mid to high and share that space with non-Heavy Weapon Zhanying, Tigers, Kanren, Zuyong, Haidao and Daoying. But it's a definite design decision that YJ is more of a high-lo mix, so I don't expect you'll see too much depth in that space. But, I agree, something there wouldn't be amiss. Compare Nomads where the 17-30pt range has so much competition as to almost be ridiculous. They're clearly designed around a lot of depth at that point and a dearth of really solid 50pt + profiles (Only Kriza, TM and Geckos before you hit Iggy at 75pts).
Maybe we'll get something like this... Or maybe Zhànshì xuěhuā, Warrior Snowmen, a special arctic warfare version of Zhanshi who in no way are easily offended because someone amusingly got the last word wrong and it totally should be xuěrén.
I agree about that mid-pt. trooper. Of (Vanilla) regular troops with an AVA of 4+, Zhanshi highest pts. is 19. And the the lowest is Zuyong at 26. There needs to be something in between. About 15-25pt range. This is a link to my Yu Jing Excel file and it helps a lot with making lists but it can show how. Download and filter and you see it a lot better.
Drones functioning outside of cheerleading roles never work well for me. I'm probably the one Yu Jing player the world over that doesn't like the Rui Shi. Not to say I think it's lacking in any regard, me and especially my dice just tend to be a touch luddite.
Why do you need an AVA of 4+ in Vanilla for this? That seems a very arbitrary number to pick. Why not 2 or 3? Edit: for context the only AVA4+ troops in Vanilla Nomads with a price point between 15-25pts are Mods, Algs and Hellcats. The only other AVA4 troop in Nomads is Jaguars (which is absurd BTW... they really should be at most AVA2). Instead Nomads fill this space with a plethora of mostly AVA2 options.
They are called guilangs. They are Zhanshis who have done an 8 month survival course on Svalarheima. Adding a new unit between Guilang and Zhanshi would be pure bloat. I'm so very hoping for a line infantry version of Guilang without Camo and infiltration, and able to form mixed fireteams with Tigers.
Would it really be pure bloat? Adding a non-Infil non-Camo Guilang profile to the existing Guilangs is really no different to adding a new LI trooper that is functionally very similar to a non-Infil non-Camo Guilang. The only real difference is one allows CB to minimise SKU by re-using the existing Guilang models (and gives a reason to use the MSR Guilang) and the other opens up a larger design space. Personally I prefer a 1st and 2nd BN Guilang approach both from a fluff POV (it makes sense to keep a core of experienced troops together for specialist roles as well as breaking up some experienced troops as team leaders for troops new to Sval) and because I think that by only having a handful of profiles (IE. BSG, FO, AHD, MSR) you differentiate linkable Guilang from Baghs. This is interesting (although more or less desirable depending on your POV) as it would not necessarily have any effect on vanilla.
Kind of arbitrary. Remember Vanilla is effected by this as well. Not just WB. But it was also the best thing I could come up with. I should have said "Main Regular Line Trooper" I guess it could include Celestial Guard with their pts. being from 12-21. That would have been a better way to say it I think. I agree but after taking those things away, are they really Guilang? They would be called something else I think. It just makes it easier.
In all honesty. White Banner should look a lot like Vanilla YJ, with fewer Zuyongs. from the old Invincible Soldier HI fluff: Emphasis mine, and that's what I expect to see from the Banner Armies. Lots of cheap light infantry. Yeah, that would be interesting, but I am also hoping for a demolitions Ninja. I agree, that's about what I expect for the models. Oh, and those ushanka fur hats, because Guilang get a full-face helmet. Hopefully their profiles have a marksman rifle instead of combi. Think Briscards as the WB base trooper.
Pano forums feel like they are coming to terms with Acon Regulars being phased out and I don't think they are wrong, but it would leave a bad taste in my mouth if regulars were to be turfed and a pointless new YJ line infantry were added.
Remember that feelings are not facts, and there is no evidence what will be removed or how widespread the removals will be.
Since we got Kuang Shi it is relatively easy to say 'our LI sux!', although zhanshis are mundane, they are not actually useless nor crappy. Morat Vanguard says hello! One thing I am expecting on WB, tbh, is the Zhanshi-Zuyong garrison link team.
whishlist time: One think I'd like to see is some inferior infiltrators zhanshi profiles, like metros, daylamis and grunts. I think that would fit the theme of banner armies since they're supposed to be a horde of barely trained conscripts.
Barely-trained conscripts=stormtroopers able to use infiltration tactics against high-tech black ops units? I'd more expect a Zhanshi profile with no guns and Scavenger L2 (Now with friendly fire!) to simulate that authentic Soviet horde feeling. Edit; just realised that would actually be pretty strong; about 5 points per Scav Zhanshi with a regular order and the ability to pick up the Fireteam's heavy guns if the Doctor can't get there.
Well man you definitely misread my intention. Lemme make this clear; Kuang Shi outshines most of YJ Line troops. Ok? Okey (In Bostria Style)
