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Other Good-ish CC TAGs do too. Seraph, O-Yoroi and Gorgos. So it might just be a CC thing.

 

Shame it didn't get stealth from the CC package, but guess we'll see how the cost shakes out. I'm still not sure on the price.

 

Uh, he's not half baked. The character is well costed and fills the role it's designed for.

To be frank the whole inspiring leadership/make cheap regular orders for Monks is a stupid idea and would be an example of exactly what we've been bitching about our various Line Infantry HI, more of the same. To paraphrase a friend "The Yu Jing forum has been crying about wanting monks to be Gaki and make cheap linkable regular orders. They are never going to get that, they already have fucking Gaki, they're called Kuang Shi."

We already have that schtick elsewhere in the faction and frankly allowing us to create 5pt regular order link teams in a sectorial with a variety of wild cards would be fucking retarded. The game needs less of that type of linking shit not more.

 

What? No. They're in there because it's part of their fluff and aesthetic.



They've been snow based ever since they were resculpted from the break dancing monks. The Locust is an example of "I'm in the sectorial because CB didn't have anywhere else to put me"

Yes that would be pants on head retarded once you start linking our wild cards into it.

 

That's not how wildcard works. They can join those types of links. How do you think Santiagos get into Crusader fireteams in MO?

I don't get where you're going with this. You're complaining because they followed established fluff for monks and that they shouldn't have done this because they didn't follow established fluff for other units? Do you not see how this is kinda dumb?

 

Wildcards can replace any member of any Fireteam, from the same page (and box) I linked in the other thread:

IMPORTANT!
When creating a Fireteam: Core that includes Wildcard troopers, you must include at least one trooper from one of the units listed for that Fireteam in the Sectorial chart, or a trooper who counts as one of those units.
*snipped wording saying the same for Haris/Duo*

So creating a Crusade Fireteam (Joan + 4 Hospitallers) you can have a Santiago + Joan + 3 Hospis, or 3 Santis + 2 Hospis, or any other combination providing you have at least one trooper from one of the units listed for that Fireteam in the Sectorial chart.

 

As the other posters have said, that would require changing how Wildcards work.

All I can really say in response is 'Morlock Fireteam now, please!'. But that's not going to happen.

Wallace and Oznat Fireteams are very much an exception, and have very heavy restrictions (must include the LT, or can't be reformed etc.). Don't expect to see that kind of Fireteam turn up in more places.

 

I mean, one solution would be a sectorial-only monk FTO profile that’s Regular and not based on the cheap Chain Rifle spam profile.

 

Put me on the record for being against 5 point Regular orders in a sectorial with access to multiple Daofei. Especially if they can Fireteam to ignore extreme Impetuous.

Monks are awesome as is, you don't need more reasons to take them!

 

But we don't need inspiring leadership for shaoling link. It would require a skill for JQ or Liang: Irregular orders don't cause cancellation of fire team if ovner of this special skill belongs to it. This way we don't have cheap regular orders in WB, we don't get another few 5point regular orders in vanilla. All we get is a link that works only as long as character is alive. I don't even know if this would be worth using but for sure it would be fun as hell to try. Hell if you think it's op just make JQ/Liang pay 10-15 points for this.

Edit: or do something like musashi, profiles for wb monks with fto that are regular and cost more points.

 

Caledonia and Morats have a ton of restrictions in their Sectorials to make up for such things. I'd argue a Yu Jing sectorial actually has the strongest variant of that sort of link, by a long shot, in the ISS Kuang Shi. I'd argue monks are fluffier fighting alone anyway; martial arts aren't much of a team sport since infantry formations stopped working, though I'd be interested to see something new done with Shaolin in other ways since versatility is very much Yu Jing's thing- though a simple rebalance of the Chain Rifle and Combi Rifle would help out the other profiles a lot.

 

Caldonia lacks MSV2 to really abuse the linked Smoke, lacks any form of Hidden Deployment (which the Hundun is getting), lacks minelayer and indeed any form of mines apart from Izzy's E/Mauler, lacks totes remotes and flashbots, and is basically relying on cheap, disposable chain rifles plus Caterans and Missile Guard for it's defense. I'd also not really class any of the WB (or even YJ) characters as having the leadership potential of William Wallace or the Maid of Orléans.

I guess a "Monk control device" type thing could work, letting them spend their own order on the FT but 1) ugh, more special case rules and 2) You either let in Wildcards and we're back to 5 point order farms again or you don't and we get a Fireteam with combi ranges at best and no real purpose that you couldn't do with 5 Monks going their own way.

A Monk FTO that's also regular could work, but you'd have to be careful not to just make them a cheaper Liang Kai with Smoke.

Even if they brought the Chain rifle up to the price of a combi I'd still go for the Chain rifle every time, BS9 with no cover does not a gunfighter make.

You could make an argument for the BSG in N4 though, with a double small template and you can always try a salvo of AP rounds at +6 if you manage to get behind something.

 

You're missing the point entirely. Vanilla and ISS already do 5pt order spam. We don't need more of that shit in the faction anymore than we needed the Jujak to even further bloat the already beyond bloated Line Infantry HI roster that exists within Yu Jing.