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White Banner, Hopes & Dreams

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Yes I know WB will not be part of the 5 this year but I still look forward to the future.

    So what troops do we think will be in WB now?

    I know some were pissed Tigers and Daofei were not being in IA but I’m thinking that if they did, WB would have very few troops of its own. You can see from the list below, WB would be left with very little they can call their own.

    As of now the troops that don’t have a sectoral and probably WB are:
    Guilang
    Daofei
    Tiger Soldiers
    Shaolin

    Other troops that I feel will be in WB are:
    Zhanshi (including Doc & Eng)
    Guijia
    Daoying
    Zuyong
    Haidao?
    Ninja?
    Remotes of course but not sure of AVA.

    What I hope would be in WB but probably not:
    Su Jian. I know it was made for the ISS, however that doesn’t mean the Military can’t appropriate it. To me it’s made for the terrain on Huang Di (Svar). I think Multi-terrain is going to be a theme for the troops there.

    New things I’d like to see for WB and Vanilla
    More Medium Infantry of some sort. I’d say something with MSV2 but that would make them too much like Nisse.

    How about the opposite? Something with Albedo or Tinbot D and Mimetisim?

    The long waited for “lite” TAG (can’t remember name off hand. Blue Wolf?). Known for working in packs.
     
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  2. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Well, the Hac Tao has a white faceplate, and CB said that's why the Daofei was in White Banner and not IA in spite of always being in the IA in the fluff, so I'm expecting him to pop up there now too. Come on CB, I'm expecting you to stick to your bullshit.

    Zhencha will also probably pop up in WB. Haidao's fluff suggests them to be a pretty perfect fit for WB (and any other sectorial YJ ever gets that's not ISS, really). Since the Hulang isn't the HI Shaolin equivalent that some rumours pointed towards, I wouldn't mind seeing something along those lines.

    Maybe the Guijia will get its much needed rework for WB. I thought the Blue Wolves were just a group that piloted Guijias, but getting a light TAG for them would be cool. Either way, I want the Guijia to be given a reason to exist before we get any more TAGs.

    I do wonder what kind of fireteam options WB will get though. Most of the units it has so far aren't particularly conducive to building fireteams. It'd be cool to see Tigers get the ability to make fireteams, or maybe a character that makes it possible. Bring them onto the table, and then spend a command token to link them all up. Would be pretty unique, to say the least. But then again, the Liu Xing doesn't need yet another reason to curse its own existence.
     
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  3. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    They seriously said that? I'd be happier with "because we wanted to."

    Zhencha is possible but when you already have Guilang and Daofei camo infiltrators, they are just taking up space. Hulang would be cool to me. Of the heavy troops I can only see Zuyong and maybe Shang Ji.

    It was another type of TAG iirc.

    For fireteams of course the Zhanshi. I'm also willing to bet on mixed teams of some sort. This is why I think the Haidao might be a strong one for being in WB.

    Zuyong could be in there again.

    Hulang Duo

    Su-Jian Duo (I wish)

    It's been talked about for a long time about them splitting up the Tiger Solder to those that Combat Jump, and those that use Multi-terrain. I supposed they could just say they can link as long as they have the MT option and not Combat Jump.
     
  4. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Buff

    The

    God

    Damn

    Guijia
     
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  5. Paegis

    Paegis Vincible

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    It was a bit of a troll response. Let's not retread that and stick with White Banner before this thread gets derailed though =P

    I like the idea of buffing the Guijia, though at the same time, flavourwise it sorta makes sense that it's the most vanilla MBT - YJ has a huge army, which means lots of Guijia, which means individually it would be difficult/expensive to field a lot of high-cost TAGs. I think it's the same flavour explanation for our HI-lite? And because we're not the TAG faction or super-advanced aliens, we get stuck with the most baseline of TAGs. A pilot buff (engineer!) or adding martial arts would be neat, but I'd still love some sort of smoke or grenade launcher on it.

    The idea of the Blue Wolf is exciting! I hope it's not just a Guijia squadron name. I saw someone mention Holoprojector a while back and that sounded really cool. I think we're actually one of the main Holoprojector factions (only Haqq has more lvl 2 then we do) and it would fit with the "wolf pack" theme really well! Fielding two Holo lvl2 TAGs would be pretty hilarious (albeit impossible to fit in the DZ).

    Zhencha would be cool to complement the Guilang and Daofei in the midfield.

    Is there any precedent for a WB fireteam? A monk fireteam sounds kinda neat.
     
  6. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Yes, one of @Bostria's ill advised stupid comments made in the face of bait and switch complaints about IA's roster.
     
  7. Weathercock

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    If they don't buff or significantly rework the Guijia, then they should just take it out of the game, move the model to the Bootleg line, and let it be just the fluff reference to an outdated model that it is. Its profile serves no purpose other than to give us a reason not to field a beautiful model. After the Raicho rework, YJ players have every reason to be pissed about the Guijia's complete lack of attention
     
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  8. Space Ranger

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    I've never heard of the idea of a TAG with Holo2! That sounds cool and totally makes sense! Of course it would look like a "pack."

    NO precedent that I'm aware of. Monks would be cool. Sort of the equivalent of Morat Witch Soldiers. Something I'd like to see changed is how Monks are done. I never liked them being Impetuous. I think it was done at first to show them as being fast moving troops by giving them an extra order but all the had at the time was Impetuous orders. So I'd like them changed from Irregular-Impetuous to Irregular with Tactical Awareness. I'd also hope for them to have more variety of CCWs. Also more than Chain Rifle. How about Pulsar or Zapper?

    Personally on the Guijia, I do't want it Buffed as in making it better. That would probably come with being more expensive. I'd like something that would make it interesting without making it much more expensive. or even more variety of weapons/Equipment. 2 Heavy Shotguns. Panzerfaust/Blitzen, Pulsar, Tinbot of some flavor, Madtraps, Zapper.
     
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  9. Weathercock

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    I don't think that needs to happen with the monks, they serve an important purpose in their current role, and changing them in that fashion would leave some serious gaps in vanilla. The impetuous comes from them not really having proper combat training, and instead being hyper-focused close combatants. In any situation where they'd require reservation, they probably wouldn't be on the table in the first place. Deployment is when they've already decided they need to flip out.
     
  10. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I've met Shaolin Monks. Impetuous they are not. If they are that way in the future, they are no longer Shaolin Monks and call them something else.
     
  11. Solodice

    Solodice Freshly Squeezed Troll

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    Or if we just look at what the monks are they are YJs cheap irregular warband that fits the mold of other cheap WBs across the game (Galwegians and Morlocks). No the fluff doesn't really match but it's doubtful it's going to change or the unit is going to be rebranded in anyway.
     
  12. Space Ranger

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    Probably correct. Just annoying. I'd still like some variety to them though.
     
  13. the huanglong

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    Hac Tao are seen operating on Svalarheima in OUTRAGE, alongside Tiger Soldiers and Guijia. It would be an OUTRAGE if they were not included, but then again it was an OUTRAGE not to include Daofei in Invincible Army.

    Interestingly the Guijia deploy from low flying aircraft alongside the tiger soldiers. They could give White Banner Guijia a profile with a deployment skill but it would probably still not be worth taking. Maybe a duo with Weibing, but that is only useful up until the end of your first turn when you put it in suppression. 3 SWC on the LT option needs to go die in a fire. It's not worth 1 SWC for an extra order now that Tactical Awareness, NCO and LT2 are running around in the new Sectorials.

    One issue with buffing the guijia is that it is already expensive. Still, I'd like to see +DA added to its CCW so it is not chipping things at one wound/STR per order, which is fucking hopeless by the standard of CC units. I'd also like to see it get Natural Born Warrior. It would protect it from CC deletion and represents the Hook Sword well. Both NCO and TA would help, but that helps anything.

    Anyway.

    AVA Total Zhanshis that link,
    AVA 4 Guilang, drop SWC on LT profile
    AVA 2 Daofei
    Tigers that can link and join Zhanshi links.
    Hac Tao
    Guijia
    Shaolin
    All the remotes with some creative linking.
    Maybe haidao for post 3O tier min-maxing.

    Liberal NCO and Tactical awareness. Boom. Sectorial done. Post it already.
     
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  14. Weathercock

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    On the one hand, while an E/Marat Shaolin variant would be pretty cool, I think it would be a bit too much. On the other hand, CB seems to think it's alright that abominations like Ghazi are allowed to continue to exist... so screw caution.

    A rugged, cold weather operation and support S5 HI would be pretty cool. Grenade launchers, sappers, and specialist stuff. We don't need heavy weapon frontliners, but something to support the strong forward operators that WB would naturally incline itself towards.
     
  15. ObviousGray

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    My bet is on Zuyong-Zhanshi Mixed team.

    Simply put, I assumed IA could do the same thing - they brought better. Whole bunch of flavoured HIs or Zhanshi fodder link.

    Since WB needs to distinct themselves from IA or IS, The pizza link seems legit.

    Oh and we can assume Shang Ji can jump into links again because Shang Ji.

    Skirmishers, thats where we all expect the goodies will come, Increased AVA of Guilang and access to Zhencha will make WB something very intriguing. Not to mention big Dao.

    TAGs.. after giving a beer to Guijia, lores say there are light battle TAG called Blue Wolf. WB could bring us a freakin new TAG!
     
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    Pretty sure that was me originally, and 'to look like a pack' was the entire point. I was thinking a TAG about like an Uhlan, but with spitfire and holo2 instead of HMG and camo.
     
  17. 0rph3u5

    0rph3u5 TAG, you're it! :3

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    Personally, I'm not expecting too much crossover of units between White Banner and our existing sectorials. IA got a metric ton of new HI because that's what IA's about: big, beefy beasts stomping around. WB is a mountainous and winter themed force, so I'm expecting much more guerilla warfare and trick-laden units.

    Things I'm Expecting From Our Existing Troops:
    • Guilang to be AVA4+
    • AVA4+ shaolin or AVA total with a regular fireteam core option like the morats with daturazi
    • AVA2-3 Daofei
    • AVA total zhanshi with a fireteam core or AVA4 like we do with IA and some wildcard options
    • Tigers... maybe if only because they're not in IA and I'm not sure where else they would be. Maybe a fireteam core because you can forego AD for multiterrain 'cause of the / in their skills
    • The remotes we all know and love. Maybe some custom profiles like how IA got the FTO panggguling and whatnot
    • Zuyongs maybe with a Huang Di profile set same way how Orcs are
    Things I'm Hoping For:
    • Some guerilla sniper unit. Probably with forward deployment and/or sapper. Maybe TO 'cause we always need more TO camo (only have Hac Tao and ninjas so far)
      Yeah, something like this. YJ already has units designed to specifically counter other units i.e. the rui shi vs. the bulleteer. I'd think albedo and MSV1 to really mess with enemy visor units, even if they have camo.
    • Another unit somewhat similar to the briscards MRRF have. Mainly mountain terrain and marksman rifles. Maybe shock or AP versions to emphasize the higher tech. Maybe even fireteam core or haris.
    • Tons wildcard and fun links
    • Tons of camo, ODD, snipers, and other skirmishing tactics
    • Blue Wolf light TAG or Huang Di version of guijia TAG
    • More mines, madtraps, camo, and other shenanigans. I wanna play with toys like decoy, wildparrots, adhesive, jammers, etc.
    Things I'm On the Fence About
    • Hac Tao, Hulang, and Zhencha. They fit the operational profile of White Banner, but not holding my breath given how CB is willing to just change things on the fly. Not gonna try reading into the face mask color, unit logo color, etc.
    • Mine dispenser description mentioned Thai mafia drivers on Shen Tang with mine dispensers. I just want bikers again D':
     
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  18. Ariwch

    Ariwch The denizen of the StateEmpire salt mine

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    Myrmidons
     
  19. 0rph3u5

    0rph3u5 TAG, you're it! :3

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    Also Daturazi in Morats, Wulvers in Caledonia, Corregidor Jaguars + Senor Massacre who's another WB, and Tohaa Makauls. It's not super common, but it's definitely around.
     
  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Monk Fireteam would require them to become regular (irregular orders in Fireteams and all that)

    Not that I'd say no to 7 point regular extreme impetuous orders, but the other monk profiles would need to have a serious optimization work over 'cause no way in hell is a Monk with Combi worth having when it costs the same as a Celestial Guard, even if Fireteam removes Impetuous.
     
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