Where is the orbital bombardement? (Raveneye spoilers)

The exact method we use today is to move a fully supported squad into the AO to locate the targets and then we do not nuke the site. I'm fairly sure they're using precision ordnance when they can get a target resolution but that still requires a pretty serious ground combat to achieve.

Not moving the goalpost at all - they're planted firmly where you guys set them, next to the notion that it's possible to replace ground combat with bombing stuff from orbit. I'm saying the claim that you can centre a 30m CEP spot on an alien race that is so far ahead technologically that their tech is called "voodoo" without having ground troops act as spotters is not the kind of consistency that you guys are demanding. Plus, the fluff has apparently detailed why there are no major human warships in orbit ready to destroy all of O-12's precious multinational assets and their primary planet's ecology - those ships are busy preventing CA from getting major warships into orbit capable of annihilating O-12's precious multinational assets and their primary planet's ecology.

It's kind of funny because this kind of idea that it's possible to replace ground troops with bombs and other super-waffen is a constant in modern history, and it gets so many people killed when it's policy makers who hold them.

 

OP has their own opinions, but the absolute disregard for what air superiority can get you in the Infinity fluff is what we're talking about. Not the idea that you can entirely replace ground combat with orbit-to-surface warfare, but more the idea that the fact that humans have air superiority over Paradiso but it doesn't play out in fluff. The "black cloud" stuff doesn't seem to be applicable, and is fairly nebulously applied anyway. Fundamentally it's not clear, because Gutier doesn't even understand the questions he's supposed to be answering.

 

History major who either forgot that there were a shitton of Muslims in Indonesia or who chauvanistically thinks that said Muslims would convert to something resembling Spanish Catholicism, but in space, at the drop of a hat.

 

Who said anything about replacing ground troops? Maybe you just didn't read the topic?

Drones, satellites, small ships, aircraft, ground forces, etc can all act as a spotter. It's 200 years in the future. Also, if aircraft can't get in and out how the hell are we deploying small teams with armor assets into enemy territory. Do you think all battles are handled by 15 person hodge podge units that tow along civilians and random reality TV stars?

 

Who said anything about replacing ground combat with bombing? Well. The very first post, the one that defines the thread's topic. The first goalpost location if you will.
"If there are several human space ships in the paradiso system, why is there a huge ground war going on? A orbital bombardment from the humans should end the paradiso conflict in no time? If shuttles can fly in and out of combat zones, the combined army anti-air should not be enough to destroy a sufficient number of bombs?"
After spending a few posts making generalized comments on CB's writing style you wrote "They should be hurling everything at them to prevent their advance, civilian infrastructure be damned. You can always rebuild, but not if the aliens kill everyone and enslave the rest" which isn't exactly challenging the notion that the topic asked for extensive orbital bombardment.

Had the topic been about close air support for ground ops I think it'd have gone in a very different direction. But here we are in a thread where scorching all forms of civilian infrastructure so there doesn't need to be a ground conflict is the actual topic.
(Though glancing at the map it doesn't seem to be civilian structure but rather an impressive concentration of military black sites operating cutting edge research and development that's showing promises in letting humanity catch up in areas where CA area vastly superior such as space construction, bio-engineering, and more)

 

Not having a huge conventional ground war is different than replacing all ground forces with Orbital bombardment. But you definitely can bombard locations from orbit to make that ground war more effective.

First they were talking about Paradiso, half the surface land mass is lost to the CA, it's a lost cause that they've now been fighting over for what, a decade or two? The CA kills (and eats) POW and civilians. By now they should have removed as much of the enemy force as they could by any means. It's not like they are afraid of using strategic weapons.

To be honest, the wormhole should be a deathtrap as well. But that's another thing entirely.

Now Concillium Prima. Somehow still losing ground to the Morat, who have either no supply lines, or the HS is just unwilling to bombard them for some reason. An army can't fight without weapons and food. The CA still kills civilians, etc. Their isn't a lot of reason not to hit Morat forces and fortifications, depots, HQs, garrisons, etc.

I think the basic gist of the whole thing is this. Why isn't the HS fighting this war like a war. I get that Infinity is a skirmish game, and used to be about spec ops style missions in universe, but come on, we can at least cover the conventional forces in the lore a bit and try and make it more believable.