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What would you like to seee in the shasvasti rework?

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by tokumei, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I think it went through Beta Testing, so it might or might not go live, but was studied. They would get it only for Shas, however... and I wouldn't be surprised if they were also carrying a different loadout without Monofilament (a more antiinfantry role).

    They need to pass a WIP roll to do so, otherwise they are limited to deploy the mines outside of the enemy's DZ. But yeah, only the Perimetral Weapons have currently the limitation of "can't be deployed inside the ZoC of an enemy unit" (while the enemy unit is able to be deployed inside the perimetral's ZoC, of course).
     
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  2. Flipswitch

    Flipswitch Sepsitorised by Intent
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    lol
     
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  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Ok, Speculo Killer on Shas gets a minelayer profile with Combi for +0.5SWC and +4 pts. AVA2. Vanilla gets no extra Speculos.
     
  4. solkan

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    Chest mines, 360 line of fire, and the new hatching rules might make up for the seeds still being S0.

    I think they left out a bullet point to either prevent a seed embryo moving using ARO Dodge, or making it use ARO Hatch when it would otherwise use Dodge.
     
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  5. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    Not looking forward for minelayers on my dz...

    Shas seem interesting, but everything seems kinda too expensive.

    Sheskiin getting fat2 is ridiculous....
     
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  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    AND wildcard AND second wound... XD
     
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  7. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    So, quick write up of Shas:

    -Sheskiin with fat2 is ridiculous. Especially with wildcard. Expensive as hell.
    -Jayth Cuttthroats are your own deployment melee units. Not sure how useful they will be, given the cost and general lack of range. ODD + Red Fury looks like a nice push forward profile. But they are basically myrmidons with no smoke.
    -Seed soldiers are..... okish. Expensive, but are pretty much mines during round #1.
    -Cadmus - still no sure what to make f it
    -Haiduks are interesting pieces. Mimetism + MSV2 for generally cheap price is good.
    -Nox feel a bit too expensive. Yes, zappers might be good, but are very situational.
    -Caliban is good. Good melee piece with camo and FD is decent, add to that them being decent shots. Just dont step on a mine before you have breakfast.
    -Noctifiers are still fantastic
    -Mentors look really good. Cheap camo lt, counterintel and more markers for your dz.
    -Tensho.... uh?
    -Victor is good. Espcially for bringing White Noise. He is also a decent attacker.
    -Corax is a very ok pseudo HI.
    -Gwailos are pretty good. Pretty decent piece to handle the most problematic AROs for Shas, but it is *very* expensive, and the haris option is kinda really meh. FTO M-Drones are kinda *really* expensive, adding nanoscreen to something that was mostly considered very expensive already.
    -Malignos and Shrouded stayed the same mostly.Still kinda too expensive because automedikit is so expensive and so situational. KHD malignos is at a decent pricepoint because SMG is so cheap.
    -Speculo. Still very expensive on SWC for the normal ones, but the minelayer option is kinda very ridiculous. Starting with mines on the enemy DZ ( or pretty much on its entrance) is gonna be all kinds of broken, even if their SWC cost is *very* high. I also think they lost a single point of CC, so meh...
    -Taigha. On one side, no smoke. on the other, they kinda force the enemy to have exposed AROs because they can travel the whole table in 2 orders. Not sure what to think of them yet.
     
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  8. WarHound

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    Jayth can link, just wanna put that out there.
     
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  9. Wyrmnax

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    Yeah. Fixed my post. Ty.
     
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  10. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    They might have, but the 0-0 MOV of the Seed-Embyro state means Hatch is the better option, since Dodge leaves you in place and no change, while Hatch let’s you stand up and hit them in the face with a DEP on the next Order.
     
  11. psychoticstorm

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    If you want they can dodge.
     
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  12. bakuninunbound

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    Jayth seem kinda expensive, and at that point cost I am not sure I really want them to be Kamikazying with DTW's?
     
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    Jayths look really interesting, I want to try a haris of them, or the Pit Patrols maybe? They are a little expensive but they have a lot going on.

    New Shes is terrifying.
     
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    TAIGHA!!! I absolutely love them and will use them.
     
  15. Tickle Monster

    Tickle Monster Active Member

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    Hell yeah!

    I think my Pretas have found some competition for space in a vanilla list.
     
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  16. Arkhos94

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    Just one thing : two speculo minelayer => 4 marker in my enemi deployement zone

    That's a crazy level of psychological warfare, very fluff for shasvasti. Love it
     
  17. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    No no no... 4 markers in their face, just outside of their DZ... Sure, 3SWC, but frigging great. Add 2 mimetic Total Reaction and dr worm and 2 or so hackers, everything else camo troopers and enjoy XD
     
  18. Tickle Monster

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    Gotta say I like the seed soldier FO as well. I think he's a nice cheap option for 3rd turn objective grabbing.
     
  19. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    Minelayer Speculo seems very good, but it is also very expensive SWC wise. Good enough to give you pause, but at the same time not a auto-include.

    Only peeves I have with Shas:
    Fat2 on Shes ( really, fat2 is a terrible rule on something that has B4 naturally, and giving it to someone linkable? yeah...)
    Not sure how fun it will be on the other side of minelayer Speculo - not much, I think
    Shes kinda invalidating the Gwailo, even though the Gwailo is pretty much exactly what I wanted it to be.
     
  20. El tito Zylito

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    what miniatures can we use to proxy taighas? any idea?