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What would you ideal 'resolution' to the Uprising fluff be?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by stargorger, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Keeping in mind that Yu Jingese culture is both significantly older than US and that the Ever Victorious Army is also much younger than the US one. The likelihood of having US style (which is mostly adopted English I believe?) awards is fairly minute, so be ready to not just translate militarese, but also do some research along with that offer, @Section9
     
  2. Shiwen

    Shiwen Commissar, Yu Jing Political Work Department

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    Probably a really interesting thing to delve into, though... you've got the vast military tradition of China, the attempts to supplant tradition with scientific-socialist organization for the PLA, the later modernization which very much looked to the US and NATO as examples of what military organization and procedure should look like, and in Infinity you then have incorporation of other military and cultural traditions alongside Chinese with the formation of Yu Jing, then a return to ancient trappings and traditions with establishment of the Imperial System.

    You probably end up with overlapping (and competing, in the complex intrigues of Yu Jing politics) awards issued by the military, the state, the Imperial Court, the Party, maybe even the specific nationalities.
     
  3. Fyeya

    Fyeya Yakitori over a light flamethrower

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    This is patently untrue.

    The book lists numerous victories by YJ army units against JSA in the field, and even though the source is intentionally biased, it notes when they wiped out JSA troops in action, not in a war crime way.

    So there are plenty of divisions that could furnish heroic named units/characters.
     
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  4. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I live close to a university that has lots of Chinese exchange students (and a Military Science department). I'll take that chance.
     
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  5. Borlois

    Borlois Yu Jing Imperial Service Agent

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    Yes, there are victories of the YJ army, but many of them have been gotten by the mass number of soldiers, not for our quality in the strategy. Remember about the entire Guijia regiments, all our banners mobilised, and finally how our forces became insufficient without our own air/sea support. And when our mass force become enough, PanO forced YJ to sign the cease of fire.
    Our best victories are in Kuraimori (where the fight stands) and Motobushima (where Yuandun did his butcheri).
    I hope (and like you I think) YJ had good victories and heroes, but they are omitted in the fluff
     
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  6. DFW Ike

    DFW Ike Well-Known Member

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    Motobushima is (was) a city on Kuraimori. Its all one conflict which is still ongoing. YJ didn't outright "win" any of the conflict zones since CB decided that YJ can't clear out their own cavern network.
     
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  7. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    You really don't want to know how the US 'cleared' most of the cavern networks during the island-hopping campaign of WW2.
     
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  8. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Is flooding a cave network with smoke/CO2 considered a warcrime by modern standards?
     
  9. gamma ray

    gamma ray Well-Known Member
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    Definitely.
     
  10. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    That's actually one of the less egregious possibilities, and I'm not sure it counts as a war crime (since thermobarics also use up all the air in a cave and are heavily used). With CO2, you lose consciousness and just never wake up.

    Plus, it's a lot of effort. Just bulldozing the cave entrances shut is a lot simpler.
     
  11. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Can't be sure you got all the entrances. "Smoking" targets out of the cave is an old tactic. I was thinking that the least civilized way involved tons of fire, and the Thermobaric ammo that just collapses everything...
     
  12. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Smoke requires fuel of some kind, and there wasn't much wood larger than toothpicks left on most of those islands.
     
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  13. Fyeya

    Fyeya Yakitori over a light flamethrower

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    Yeah, the war in the pacific was, for lack of a better word, nasty.
     
  14. geniusloci

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    That, or China under the self-proclaimed communists is still China under self-proclaimed communists, even after becoming Yu Jing, and the lore suggest it was treating Japanese people like second class citizens, which seems normal, considering how China is still ruled by opressive regime. Sure, that’s not based just on the short faction description on the website, not that I remember it, anyway.
     
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  15. Borlois

    Borlois Yu Jing Imperial Service Agent

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    Japan government refused many of the terms of the annexation, without YJ full controll in Japan economy (because Kuge wants keep power) all Japanese citizens became second class.
    After this Tatekotai and Kempeitai born like a terrorists groups with the only mission to force YJ to give back his autonomy and defend the Emperor (Kuge interest).
    Brutal Japanese terrorism was by YJ (Imperial Service) became severe with Japanese.
    But I still misunderstanding WHY YJ bombed the consulate and there is NOT a Martial Court (even for Motobushima, because Yuandun ignored Tsun Zu DIRECT orders).
     
  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yes, because communists are such big fans of monarchies like the Chinese Emperor.

    Yu Jing is culturally quite collectivist, but it is not communist.
     
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  17. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Not to forget that Japanese and (was it Muighur?) were the only people collectively living as second class citizens. The other assimilated people are first class citizens, and that's a lot of ethnicities who do not live under constant ethnically motivated oppression
     
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  18. Shiwen

    Shiwen Commissar, Yu Jing Political Work Department

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    The Party has for sure abandoned proclaiming itself communist, upholding Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought as the core principle, that's the whole reason they're the Party not the Communist Party. I recall the Old Guard vs New Wave still named the Old Guard as including Maoists, but Yu Jing is definitely not a communist or even socialist society, it has private ownership of the means of production, a seemingly capitalist-oriented system of private property and contract law, the Imperial System is ostentatious and a definite proof they aren't but even that is found only halfway down the list.

    One could engineer an argument that as the Party dominates society, if the Party remains a workers' party, then the state power belongs to the Proletariat not the Bourgeoisie and whatever trappings the Emperor is draped in he is as much a tool of the workers' state as the beat cops or Ministry of Health... I am in fact convinced if we were able to access the various debates and meetings of Yu Jing's Party we would be able to read through academics and cadres delving into minute detail on that very topic, as the Party justifies its shifts and evolutions against its historic mission. Which is to say if you are in the Party or Yu Jing population and you are a communist, you'll have a framework for thinking of your StateEmpire as 'communism', in a transitional phase. If you aren't communist... you didn't bother reading all that dry debate, and you own a factory and pay workers in it less than the value of goods they produce, collecting profit which society considers yours, you have no reason to consider the state communist unless you're one of those people who consider taxation for social services and enforcement of health & safety regulations to be evils of socialism.

    Of course, I'd argue that there are definitely influences from the Chinese Communist Party at play in terms of social and political organization, the definite collectivist and egalitarian outlook at the helm of the authoritarianism, the Emperor not actually being a feudal monarch or even a constitutional monarch but a supreme court chief justice in dragon-marked robes. But 'communist' isn't 'state which oppresses its population', if it were the global revolution would be nearly complete already.
     
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  19. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Uighur (or other spellings depending on your Romanization), Chinese Muslims mostly from the far west (Turfan Depression, Taklakmakan Desert, etc). The Party is a jealous god and doesn't like anyone who believes in a different one.

    Even the Vietnamese joined YJ, and they still celebrate the birthday of Le Loi, the hero who kicked China's ass back in the 1500s. (Why no, they don't much like each other, despite all the Chinese support during the American War. China got froggy during 1978-79 and tried to invade, got their ass kicked by all the Vietnamese veterans of the American War.)
     
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