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What would you ideal 'resolution' to the Uprising fluff be?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by stargorger, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I thought he was totally nude, but it's not really important for what I was trying to say. It was only important for making sure we were both talking about the same event.

    The person who personally claims to be a hero isn't. The person who denies that he did anything special at all is a hero.
     
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  2. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    He was wearing a blue blazer or some such.
     
  3. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I would NEVER want YJ to be like Steel P. I don’t think it would be. I just want more than 2! One of which we are not even allowed to play in tournaments right now! ISS shares a few mercs with other factions but I don’t they would count.
     
  4. DFW Ike

    DFW Ike Well-Known Member

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    And the other one is a robot.

    All the ISS characters (again, except for xi) are all non-YJ ancestry.

    Combined Army has as many special characters of YJ ancestry as Vanilla Yu Jing has... and JSA has twice as many!
     
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  5. Shango

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    For me the fact of wanting to illustrate heroic deeds or heroic decisions in a troubled environment like Yu Jing does not necessarily have to do with giving a name to a soldier's figure.
    I am not looking to reproduce a particular story or expects of the background when I am composing an army.
    It's kind of like wanting to give names to my chess pieces...
    The background can be filled with heroic acts and heroic characters if the readers want names. But in the game the actions of our little soldiers are just as heroic (or atrocious depending on the side of the gun) whether they bear a name or not!
     
  6. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you there. If it's one thing I'm disappointed in recently is the way YJ was portrayed in Uprising. I really want some idiots arrested, and YJ to be seen as the hope for humanity that it should be. I want YJ to say to JSA "fine, have your faction. You just automatically became a third world country that is not allowed to do business with us."
     
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  7. Fyeya

    Fyeya Yakitori over a light flamethrower

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    Well, I'd say YJ as a communist based state probably should have a black underbelly (Because literally every single one in history has) but the positive role they are playing in holding off CA should absolutely be a part of the story going forward.
     
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  8. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Well, the new Japanese state should be treated with extreme caution by any rational actor - but in the story, everyone lines up to support the virtuous, enviable Japanese in their fight for FREEDOM (TM), despite the fact that the Kuge courted Yu Jing to bail them out of their debt, then rebelled as soon as it became convenient. I'm sure if Yu Jing tries to economically sanction or isolate the new Japanese state O-12 will nuke Beijing or something and everyone will cheer.
     
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  9. DFW Ike

    DFW Ike Well-Known Member

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    Aren't all the non-Ariana states communist based states, with the whole iota-scarcity economy thing going on? Everyone's needs are taken care of by the government [well, Aleph], so all the humans are part of the "capitalist class" instead of the "working class". Pan O arguably has more communist ideals going on, with the lack of social classes and societal status based on your standing with ALEPH / Maya.

    YJ is structured more like a Junta/Monarchy, where social standing and order is controlled by your relationship with the state and the imperial families.
     
  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    @DFW Ike PanO is not a post-scarcity society. Even setting aside the Ateks, they seem to be approaching the end state of an inverted totalitarian corporatocracy. They even have gamified eternal life (through the church) to keep citizens turning that hamster wheel instead of actually trying to change society.
     
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  11. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    You have a VERY strange idea of what a Communist State is.

    PanOceania, as described, literally couldn't be less Communist.

    It appears that you have fallen victim to the common American idea that any state provision of services or distribution of common wealth is Communist. That idea is false.
     
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  12. Hecaton

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    While I think @DFW Ike was off-base in his assessment, your thought that he was expressing an American right-wing analysis of Communism says more about your antipathy towards the American people than anything else.
     
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  13. DFW Ike

    DFW Ike Well-Known Member

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    On page 140 of the modiphus book, it states:
    What has arisen instead is the iota-scarcity economyin which the scarcity of materialistic needs have become so incredibly minimal that it is basically invisible to the individual. This was not a revolution- ary shift, but rather the continuation of a long trend line: Food, which had once taken up eighty percent or more of an individual’s budget, had dropped to less than ten percent by the founding of PanOceania. Automation made possible by the advent of ALEPH and pseudo-AIs then dropped it down to hundredths of a percent—essentially nonexistent. When the cost of basic housing followed suit at a rapidly acceler- ated pace, societies were forced to adapt.

    What do you call a society where the states infrastructure provides all food and shelter to everyone? How is that not communism? Everyone in PanO can sit on their butt and get fed, clothed, and sheltered. the "means of production" is controlled by ALEPH and other automation. Human Beings are no longer "workers" from an economic sense.
     
  14. Hecaton

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    It can't be a post-scarcity economy, or even close, because they still need human labor for their militaries.
     
  15. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    It's socialism, not communism. They are similar, but are not the same thing.

    Nobody lives on communes, and there is private ownership of property, up to and including corporations. Yes, most of the factories are fully automated, which usually pushes humans to be the maintenance workers.


    It's not post-scarcity, it's iota-scarcity. Food, Shelter, and Security, the bottom levels of Mazlow's Hierarchy of Needs, are all provided by the state. If you want more than that, you need to do something. The basics are not scarce in the slightest.

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    So what everyone in the Sphere works towards is love/belonging, esteem, self-actualization, and self-transcendent needs.

    Most people are probably stuck at Esteem, or Bragging Rights, though. Because Bragging Rights are one of the things that are always scarce.
     
  16. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    There is a difference between "the state infrastructure provides" and "it's free, provided by the state". You still have to pay for housing and food nad clothes, it's just that the BASIC versions are cheaper than we can imagine today. For example, make Infintiy miniatures drop in cost for the final client to 5% of its actual cost because the raw material has dropped by 99% in price, and automation makes it possible to produce the 3D designs for the whole month by a single artist (AI assisted) and the production costs of the physical model go down, again, by 95-98%. Sure, by being a hobby product it's price would remain high, but I'm using it as an example we can all understand (since housing or car prices vary wildly between countries).

    By the way, the people in PanO sitting on their butt and getting fed, clothed and sheltered are Ateks. And they are considered being on the poverty level because they cannot pay for comlogs or advanced education.

    Not related. A post-scarcity economy is one when the Economy definition ("assignation of limited resources to unlimited needs) is not applicable to physical goods. The "needs" gets shifted, however, to things that are not physical: prestige, superior education, I+D, free time activities, and decadent (self-indulgent) activities.
    Heck, military service can be shifted to be a desired and prestigious "work": you get access to "toys" forbidden outside of the military, you get access to data not publicly available, you get to travel to places you would never go otherwise, get a lot of bragging rights, and, more importantly, its hard for you to die forever. Thanks to the Cubes, unless you face the CA, that is.
     
  17. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    It has been said again and again, political discussion will get nowhere good, if you really want to debate the fine points and differences of political systems and their differences, along with a theoretical post scarcity economy, please do so in the boutique.

    The thread is volatile as is already, I would rather not have to deal with an extra layer of real political discussion and the accusations this will bring.
     
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  18. Hecaton

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    @xagroth If it was post-scarcity they'd have enough combat robots that they wouldn't need soldiers.
     
  19. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    They do, it's called the Steel Phalanx, or Aleph's Assault Sub Section. It's just that law limits their number (and its creation before the CA's arrival), and creating a Myrmidon is a more exhaustive process than just extruding a Deva (by design, because Aleph want's a non-logical mind, or at least one that is not logically predictable at 100%).

    In other words: Humanity has watched the Terminator saga, and decided that their Skynet will not have access to army-level stuff, unless they can focus that army on an enemy they would be unable to beat without it (and even then, I doubt the ASS has things like spaceships or Strategic weapons, see how they lack any TAGs?).
     
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