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What to do if a FAQ ruling is clearly wrong?

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Hecaton, Jul 8, 2019.

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  1. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    My bad. I thought you deducted from that, that you do not suffer a wound from a failed BTS roll, because you said:
    Well, to me this also refers to the effects of a failed ARM roll, like suffering a wound, as the last sentence on that page indicates.

    But I guess that's just me.
     
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  2. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Well, a prophet has no honor in their own country... now, the $64,000 question: Elijah or Elymas?
     
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  3. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    And most other people...
     
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  4. Ginrei

    Ginrei Well-Known Member

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    You were correct. In that situation I did say, according to the rules as written, the trooper wouldn't lose a wound. However I do not play it that way.
    You're right, but it's not the rules governing ARM/BTS rolls that cause troopers to suffer wounds. Notice in that last line it just describes the most common occurrence of failing a roll. What actually causes wounds is written over and over again in the various skills and weapons of Infinity.

    Unfortunately there is no rule to tell us that when a trooper gets to substitute a saving roll with another type of roll, the effects of the attack also get applied based on that change. It's a simple rule that doesn't exist. Players just intuitively fill in the blanks. It makes perfect sense.

    The same way we intuitively don't allow Imetrons to generate orders after taking damage. Unfortunately the FAQ goes against the continuation of this intuition. Which is to intuitively allow Imetrons to be repaired with an Engineer. And once one is ruled to be incorrect, the others get called into question.

    It's tough to intuitively do anytihng in Infinity with any certainty. Berserk turns Dodge from a FTF roll into a Normal roll. But here, we're told not to substitute the effects of a Dodge into the new roll. So if I can't apply an effect of Dodge after a successful Normal roll because it requires a FTF roll, Why should I apply effects that require a failed ARM roll when I failed a BTS roll.
     
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  5. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Please keep the discussion civil.
     
  6. Bobman

    Bobman MERC
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  7. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Or, I don't know, just mute the people making the inflammatory remarks?
     
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  8. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Anyway the new FAQ is out and can be read.
     
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  9. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Aight, so I guess what we do is point out the contradiction in the ruling? I have no idea if I actually influenced that ruling though.
     
  10. Ogid

    Ogid Well-Known Member

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    Why so many people want to close threads? Closed thread cannot be continued later if a new relevant ruling or doubt happen, nor can be cited. No reason to close this.
     
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  11. Bobman

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    Doesn’t help the state of the forum.

    When a thread is lost in dirge there’s every reason to close it. Any new information will get lost in that dirge so creating a new one would actually be helpful in that case.
     
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  12. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    In what way? If people who aren't capable of behaving like adults get muted from threads, they either change their behavior or leave.

    Especially people who just show up and complain about others, and then leave. They contribute nothing, and their comments just bloat the thread.
     
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  13. Ogid

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    I don't agree, closing the thread will only stop the problem in this thread; but in the next one will happen the same thing. It's much better putting some order and warn who need to be warned.
     
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  14. Metal730

    Metal730 Well-Known Member
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    It's hard to tell on a forum but the way you wrote this makes me feel like your saying this as if its a bad thing.

    Realistically all anyone can do is point something out and wait for change, it doesn't really matter who influenced what as long as whatever changes (or doesn't change) moves the game and community to a better place.
     
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  15. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Well, since previously I've gotten supposed feedback saying that me pointing out a rules inconsistency here makes it *less* likely to be addressed, it's a fair question.
     
  16. Metal730

    Metal730 Well-Known Member
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    If I had to guess I'd say that that supposed feedback probably had less to do with the fact that you posted an inconsistency here and more to do with the manner in which you posted the inconsistency.

    I'm basing this solely off your original post but, to me, the way in which you presented the OP framed the conversation much more negatively than it needed to be (again, to me). Just food for thought, I think its fair to say a developer would be less inclined to act on feedback that contains overly negative (or positive) tones because some aspect of it is clearly emotionally charged.
     
  17. toadchild

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    100% what @Metal730 said. If you thought that the feedback was that discussion of issues was the problem, you completely misunderstood the feedback.
     
  18. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Or because, in many cases, I'm told not to trust the text of the rules, but instead the house rules of members of the community.
     
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  19. Metal730

    Metal730 Well-Known Member
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    Well I'm not interested in telling you what or who to trust.

    I just noticed the initial tone of the post and subsequent discussion and thought it didn't look welcoming to a newer player. It didn't look particularly welcoming to CB staff either to be perfectly honest.

    You wouldn't post topics like these if everything was sunshine and roses so I'm not saying don't post topics about issues you're concerned with either. I'm just saying it probably wasn't the best way to broach the subject (in my opinion).

    I also realize you're not the only one contributing to the negative discussion environment but you are the OP. Until a thread grows to a certain size the OP usually sets the tone of the discussion (based on my personal experience)
     
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  20. Bobman

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    Because, a sprawl of negativeitty for negativities sake, which doesn't contribute anything itself, isnt a welcoming place for new players. As others have noticed.

    Absolutely agree some should be warned.