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What Spiral Corps profiles 'should' be in Tohaa?

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by ChoTimberwolf, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    Which profiles from the spiral corps units should have been in Tohaa or exist in general?
    My opinions:
    Reex: Shoule have fireteam triad in sc and in Tohaa their special triad in sc is bad and no kind of triad in Tohaa makes them pretty horrible.
    Draal: simply a great unit no change needed
    Kiiutan: I dont really use him because I prefer Greif but not sure what I would change
    Kiel: a lt profile in sc and in tohaa would help him a lot I think. Fireteam triad would be awesome but probably overkill
    Taagma: one other profile in Tohaa would be nice. Lt or viral sniper

    These are just my thoughts after some games
     
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  2. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    The only one of the new profiles I don't think would be okay in vanilla is the Tricore Taagma and *maybe* the EMauler Kiuutan. I don't think anything else would have a huge impact on vanilla. The Kriigel Smoke LGL would absolutely see play but Tohaa already has Eclipse Smoke so the Smoke + White Noise thing is kind of irrelevant.

    Even if Reex had Triad, they wouldn't be competitive with Makauls in vanilla as fillers or with Kauuri as order monkey/DZ defenders. Tricore + Kriigel + Reex could be a thing in Spiral though, and that would be awesome and give players a reason to field Reex.

    The Kiel-San really wouldn't be that scary with Triad. We already have Triad on Neema who is a pretty similar profile, and it's still not as good of a shooter with Tricore in Spiral Corps as the Draal AP MMR. Triad also has some negative synergy with some of the Metachem rolls (such as Enhanced Mobility.)

    Taagma Lt wouldn't change anything because vanilla Tohaa is almost always bringing 1-2 CoC units. The Taagma Viral Sniper is a cool new threat but I would probably rather have a Gao-Rael.
     
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  3. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    Nothing in sc would really break Tohaa especially with the avas in Tohaa not even a linkable tricore but there should be differences between them. Linkable kiel and tricore in sc are good for that.

    Thats why I prefer kiel lt over kiel fireteam triad

    Taagma viral sniper got some advantages over the gao. Viral is simply one of the best amunition. It can gain surprisd shot and it can hide.

    Now to the reex of course makaul would still be better but a cheap linkable boarding shotgun would be nice for example in a draal, makaul, reex triad. They still wouldnt be great but playable
     
  4. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    Holo1 does not give surprise shot.
     
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  5. melkiach

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    Kaauri Sentinel with Pheroware T:First Aid
     
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  6. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    (Helots)

    Maybe the smoke LGL. Most of the Tohaa stuff in Spiral is pretty pants so not really missing it.

    I do like that Kaauri Sentinel mentioned above though. Also brings E/mauler... a sixth sense E/mauler guarding a corner feels really nice with all the TAGs and camo I've been facing lately.
     
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  7. Cothel

    Cothel Well-Known Member

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    Special Triads are just bad. They should not be a thing. Special is for Core, Haris, and Duo. I would be happy if Reex had regular Triad in Spiral and Tohaa, but if it wasn't in Tohaa it wouldn't be horrible. In Spiral Reex would be used a lot more as Triad filler if they had regular Triad. Spiral doesn't have access to much filler for their Triads and with AVA 4 it's not like they will be much filler.

    I wouldn't have a problem with other Taagma profiles being available, but the Tricore should never be in Vanilla Tohaa. If we get some sectorials then that's ok, but never in Vanilla.
     
  8. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    It will never be, but I really wish I could run a triad of a Kiel-San and two makauls.
     
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    Chickenprawn New Member

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    That would be disgustingly fun.
     
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  10. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    While fun it would be overkill better 1 Kiel 1 Makaul and some specialist for some missions. Not sure what would be the benefit of having 2 makauls in it, one da and one viral? But Kiel already got DA so makauls are great but don't see the benefit of having two in that triad.
     
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  11. Khalipo

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    Di you prefer the Greif? How so?
     
  12. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    I'm not in this hypothetical scenario for effective multi use triads. I'm here for bailing into melee like the angry fist of god.
     
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  13. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    In Tohaa I prefer the Greif, the msv 1 is in my eyes more intresting than BS12. And the additional wound of the kiuutan is not worth the nine points price increase in my eyes.
    I havent tried kiuutan as bomb/mate carrier that could be different.

    But for me I use impersonator as speedbumbs kinda, if I have second turn I place them in hard to reach places which often are high up. The enemy can't ignore them because if they ignore it I can shoot in their back in my turn so they waste a lot of orders trying to kill it. Often 5 orders or more wasted just getting rid of the impersonator. If I have first turn I put it down aggressively trying to find a way to kill enemies, here you often get the better position so still not really sold on the extra wound.
     
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  14. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    Fair enough.
     
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  15. melkiach

    melkiach Well-Known Member

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    Also, Greif with mmsrifle is an excellent hunter, deploy, msv1 and mimetism performs a excellent job against a lot of nonlinked units
     
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  16. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    There are only two things I want in Tohaa: Tri-core and Smoke LGL.
     
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    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    In what Triad would you use the Tri-Core in Tohaa? Sukeul HMG?
     
  18. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Exactly there. Perhaps with Nema or a Gao-Rael Spitfire, if we would get a Smoke source without a S4 pet.
     
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  19. melkiach

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    Tri-Core on Tohaa...

    Sukeul HMG + Draal APmmr + Taagma Tri-Core

    BOOOOM!
     
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  20. ChoTimberwolf

    ChoTimberwolf Artichoken Friend

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    I think Taagma Tri Core, Gao Sniper and Sukeul ML would make a realllyyy mean defensive triad...sure quite a bunch of points but correctly positioned the enemy could loose the game in his active turn.
    So I think it is good that we didnt get tri core not sure if it would be really broken but at least my opponents would see it as unfair
     
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