What if Jammer's Isolation was persistant only in Jammer's ZoC

I suppose. Does it have Sixth Sense?

 

SSlv2, smoke and camo. With MSV 1-2. And a SMG to keep it under 20 pts.

 

Which is funny, because I don't remember Jammers in N2. E/Marats and E/Maulers, sure. Mutts, yes. But I don't remember Jammers.

 

After looking at the other profiles, I'd expect more an irregular naked guy in a Wheelchair (terrible MOV, CC, BS, PH and ARM/BTS) with Frenzy, but with decent WIP, FD2, limited and ambush camo, a jammer and a knife and AVA 5. So you they cost like 3 points and you can deploy them in the good spots, plus an extra camo marker just for the lols.

 

Well, E/M weapons used to go through walls. So they gave Mutts this ridiculous suite of equipment for basically free, including smoke grenades, in the change-over, and never really took a serious look at the balance or play experience of it.

 

OK, now I follow you!

 

Jammers dropped with C:P, with very similar characteristics.

 

Huh.

Says something about how often I saw them, then!

 

Could be. In fact, Mutts overall statline and performance remained static across editions.

 

Yeah ok, you baited me. Well done. It’s clear you really don’t want to add anything here. See ya.

I fully expect they will get a jammer.

 

Statline, fine, performance, no. Giving them smoke grenades was a massive buff.

 

So reading through this thread I would say that my summary is that jammers are to cheap for an effective and pretty risk free weapon against any other unit in the game. I rarely play against jammers so got no personal opinion but as Tohaa I used Eraser a few times on the kriigel and that feels kind of strong while being on a 24/31 point unit and only effective against units with wounds

 

I will add my experience with jammer, but from a tunguskan player. It works, is strong, is not so cheap, and are a lot of ways to deal with them

Veterans laugh at them. Irregulars usually kill them easy. Stealthed troopers can pass through them or get to see then and do ftf rolls. Speculative is a viable option more times than some expect (once revealed can not go back to marker state).

More than the weapon (which has been nerfed over the time), the problem is the platform is in, and what is needed in the faction.

 

How?

 

Sorry, double post

 

At the beggining was direct template that could ignore total cover

 

It affected the bearer, and didn't have an 8" range.

 

My bad . Wrote it wrong. Direct template. Afected more tha 1 tropper at once. Also, was E/M, but then their effecta were different

 

GOOD GRIEF THE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS IS 40K ZEALOT LEVELS OF CRAZY

 

It's not troops classed as Veterans, it's units with the Veteran skill that laugh at Jammers. Very important difference!

Now do me a favor and count how many units with the Veteran skill there are in YJ. Or JSA. Or even in PanO.

Spoiler

There are ZERO units with the Veteran skill in YJ or JSA, and only Bolts in PanO. Frontoviks and VetKazaks in Ariadna. Zahyedan, Govads, Druze, and Al-Fasid in Haqq. Securitate in Nomads. No Shas, Umbra, Sygmaa, etc have the Veteran skill in Combined, it's just Morats. Shaki and Yadu in Aleph. Sukeul in Tohaa/Spiral