What AROs are you seeing on the table?

Delta57Dash · Jan 28, 2022

Robock said: ↑

Was it common to see DTW on ARO duty ? With the new FAQ, the attacker can shoot-move and avoid getting templated in ARO. But I don't recall seeing many DTW on ARO duty anyway. Outside of some bikers/impetuous warband that haven't yet moved out of DZ. Most ARO was flash bot, and fireteam with B2 ftf guns (rather than DTW). DTW corner guards are important when null deploying but in TTS the player are not always guarding each and every entryway with DTW, some path are only coming into regular dudes. I expect we will see less LFT corner guard, might be replaced with flash bot, mines, or linked troop. Maybe null deployment will disappear and we'll have long range ARO again.
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HeadChime · Jan 28, 2022

QueensGambit said: ↑

Yeah, I think that a lot of TTS map designers consciously try to block off firelanes. I don't know the philosophy behind that approach, but you may be right that it leads to different tables from something made out of physical terrain. The TTS table doesn't necessarily have more terrain overall, but what terrain it has is carefully positioned to avoid long firelanes. It's hard to spot just by looking at the table, but when you start to play on it, you find you just don't have the angles for long shots.

A table I played on recently (round 1 of the IGL) is a good example - the midfield looks open at first glance, and one side has a giant sniper tower, but it turns out that the tower can't actually see most of the midfield because of other tall terrain pieces carefully blocking its lines. Give the same terrain pieces to players in a physical game, and they won't place them so carefully so the sniper tower will have more sightlines.

Is it necessarily a benefit to a defensive core to have lots of long firelanes, though? Arguably, that just makes it easy for the opponent to position an attack piece (Dragao, linked Shang Ji, etc.) to take out the ARO. Some would argue that ARO pieces benefit from limited firelanes so that they can stop the opponent's approach, but force them to spend a bunch of orders to move a shooter into position. What's your experience been?
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Yeah I just straight up didn't see too many ARO pieces at all. Bar bolts and grenzer. Not just null deployed ARO pieces - just not present in the list.

Urist · Jan 28, 2022

Robock said: ↑

Was it common to see DTW on ARO duty ? With the new FAQ, the attacker can shoot-move and avoid getting templated in ARO. But I don't recall seeing many DTW on ARO duty anyway. Outside of some bikers/impetuous warband that haven't yet moved out of DZ. Most ARO was flash bot, and fireteam with B2 ftf guns (rather than DTW). DTW corner guards are important when null deploying but in TTS the player are not always guarding each and every entryway with DTW, some path are only coming into regular dudes. I expect we will see less LFT corner guard, might be replaced with flash bot, mines, or linked troop. Maybe null deployment will disappear and we'll have long range ARO again.
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Personally I use Templates for ARO a lot. I like to push my units up aggressively, and in Ramah everyone and their mother has a template weapon. If I know I don't have a chance in hell to win or tie on a close range gunfight, I rather force their unit to roll armor saves. One guaranteed hit from a Light Shotgun/Chain Colt/Flamethrower can mean a lot, especially against low armor enemies with mimetism. Sure you probably killed my 12 point Naffatûn, but you risk losing someone two or three times the points for getting too close.

So this change might really hurt, if I'm interpreting it correctly.

sololobo · Feb 2, 2022

Urist said: ↑

Personally I use Templates for ARO a lot. I like to push my units up aggressively, and in Ramah everyone and their mother has a template weapon. If I know I don't have a chance in hell to win or tie on a close range gunfight, I rather force their unit to roll armor saves. One guaranteed hit from a Light Shotgun/Chain Colt/Flamethrower can mean a lot, especially against low armor enemies with mimetism. Sure you probably killed my 12 point Naffatûn, but you risk losing someone two or three times the points for getting too close.

So this change might really hurt, if I'm interpreting it correctly.
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Everyone and there remote is talking about this FAQ killing template AROs. I don’t think it was intended and will be reversed by CB. This is just face palming. An errata to errata my errata.

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