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Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by TheRedZealot, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. TheRedZealot

    TheRedZealot Well-Known Member
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    Whats the last list you ran or the next list you're going to run?

    I'm thinking about the following:
    Woah Boy
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]3
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    SAKIEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)

    GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
    DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)

    SAKIEL Lieutenant Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    GREIF-OP (Inferior Impersonation) Combi Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (1 | 21)
    HATAIL AELIS KEESAN Viral Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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  2. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    I played a similar version of this a few days ago, (the previous version had an Ectross HMG instead of the Sukeul, and a Diplomat instead of the Krakot).


    Full Metal Ruckus
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]2
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    KUMOTAIL Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    CHAKSA SERVANT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    KAMAEL Hacker (White Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 16)
    KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    KIEL-SAAN Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)

    4.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    Played countermeasures, (very incorrectly), against Aleph, and the Keil-San was definitely the MVP as my data-tracker. He rolled NWI for his Metachemistry, and managed to continue to be useful well after being isolated by a Proxy Mk. 2, (including killing the Mk. 2 with its Heavy Pistol).
     
  3. n21lv

    n21lv SymbioHate

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    This was a janky LI list I made to try against an Avatar list for Acquisition. Light on specialists, and I lost 4 orders to Speculo during the opponent's first turn, but it was fun and my opponent still had a tough time with ML Sukeuls.

    Acquisition & Fun
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    NEEMA Lieutenant (Advanced Command) Breaker Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust, Nanopulser / Viral Pistol, Shock CCW. (+1 | 46)
    SUKEUL (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    SUKEUL Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    SUKEUL Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)
    GAO-RAEL Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 28)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    NIKOUL Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    6.5 SWC | 300 Points
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  4. TheRedZealot

    TheRedZealot Well-Known Member
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    This is a neat list. Do you find the Kiel Sann is fast enough to make use of those 5 orders or does it feel alittle order starved? I would have thought it would need more than 5 personally.

    No Gao Rael? I would have thought the MSV 2 would have payed Dividends vs. the Avatar's ODD. I suppose the Spitfire/Sniper wont grind through the Avatar's armour though. Maybe its time to try the ADHL Gao Rael? D:
     
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  5. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    I chose it as my Datatracker, so it had an extra order. In a different mission I probably would not have pushed it as far into my opponents table in the first turn, but I wanted to use it to kill off my opponent's Porxy Mk. 5 datatracker, and in the order it did so it got Isolated by the Proxy Mk. 2, and by that time I still had the the Irregular order I could have converted.
    My orginal plan was to have the Ectross do more of the heavy lifting, but it never really got the chance to do the work I needed it to do. I am hoping that by switching it to the Sukeul, I will have more options to leverage the HMG without worrying about hackers, and repeaters.
     
  6. TheRedZealot

    TheRedZealot Well-Known Member
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    Did you consider bailing out of the Keil-Sann's armour at all? With NWI Hes almost an HI even after he gets nekkid.
     
  7. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    He lost his armor by the time it was my turn again, but I would probably kept him in it and just used him a bit more aggressively, or moved him back closer to my Chaksa Servant.
     
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  8. n21lv

    n21lv SymbioHate

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  9. TheRedZealot

    TheRedZealot Well-Known Member
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    Admittedly reading is not my strong suit. :expressionless:
     
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  10. n21lv

    n21lv SymbioHate

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    Maybe it's time for Gao-Rael to get Mimetism! My opponents are usually surprised that he doesn't have any kind of visibility impairing skill.
     
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  11. OrderMonkey

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    Going to run this tomorrow. I don't feel too comfortable with it, but running 20 orders screwed me over twice now.

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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3
    RASAIL Lieutenant Spitfire + 1 Chaksa Peripheral / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39) [​IMG]
    CHAKSA PERIPHERAL Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (- | 4)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 31)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10) 6 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
  12. TheRedZealot

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    Running against 20 orders screwed you or running that many models screwed you? Looks like a pretty model heavy list I'd be interested to hear how you do what you think you could change to improve it. :)
     
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  13. Torres

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    Looking for second tournament list to cover Supplies and Extreme Countermeasures. I'm pretty happy with the outcome but I think that it will struggle if I'll get unlucky with Classifieds in Countermeasures. Needs more testing. At least when going first, I can cripple opponent's army with my massive order pool and go from there ;)

    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4

    NEEMA Lieutenant (Advanced Command) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Viral Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 48)
    KAMAEL (Infinity Spec-Ops) (12 XP) (WIP:14, Hyper-Dynamics L2, Engineer, Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife, D-Charges. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2

    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
    TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    KAMAEL Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    KAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    4.5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
  14. OrderMonkey

    OrderMonkey Well-Known Member

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    I usually run 20 orders and while the tables here in Germany are rather full, deployment zones tend not to be about 50% of the time. This led to me getting fried by McMuffin or biker templates multiple times in turn 1 now, with me having second turn, losing me the game immediatly. (Even though I know how to protect my zone with Kaauri and Chaksas)

    I ran this list for Acquisition and Quadrant Control in a 35 player tournament yesterday against O-12 and VIRD. In both games, my opponents had to count for retreat after I was done with my first turn. (Granted, in the last game vsO-12, I crit several times with my sukeul in ARO, killing a key unit and a Dakari Sniper)

    Sadly, I really shot O-12 into retreat, which lead to the game ending in a draw and costing me the tournament win. I am still a bit salty about it, tbh. I ended up in fourth place with over 950 points surviving.

    As for what to improve:
    The Rasail was my data tracker in both games, giving him up to 12 orders in Quadrant Control. The Sukeul HMG and tge Triad of Makaul stole his show both times, though.
    Maybe he ist supposed to be some MSV2 guy, I'm not sure about that. I like having him as an additional option to attack.

    I liked putting the Draal down on his own to freely deploy him and his mine up to 20“. He's supposed to be a substitute for a dead makaul later.

    When going second, deploying the sukeul as an ARO piece in a place where he can guts in cover if needed seems pretty decent, should have done that.

    Never leave home without a Liberto minelayer. This guy is an excellent reserve troop and can, in.a pinch, cover up to 24“ of your side from enemy camo tokens. Also, he made a suicide run to kill VIRDs data tracker in Quadrant Control, which is nice.

    I actually quite like this list and will be tuning it a bit more. Maybe I'll make a thread about it, if people are interested.
     
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  15. siri

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    Ok, jumping back into tohaa for a while after some time with YJ, Haqq and Dashat.

    This is an iteration over some of the last lists I played:

    Linked Draal
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2
    GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2
    NIKOUL Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Operative) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    It performed well in the one game with it so far, which was basically holding a Bakunin lizard spec fire list at bay then coring the lizard out when the Draal made it to the enemy DZ on the rejoinder.

    However I've also played a few variations with other variations and have a bunch of other things I want to try. In particular we're seeing white noise locally a lot and I'm not as comfortable relying on MSV troops as much as I usually do, and I had really good results in one game where a Sukeul missile changed gears to go from ARO element to asskicker where it landed missile shots in enfilade on a bunch of clumped enemies. So that's an element I'm keen to explore going forward.

    Anyone else got anything interesting on the boil?
     
  17. LZ35SRX

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    Well, continuing the spirit of Project Sakiel...

    Tohaa
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    SAKIEL Combi Rifle, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 23)
    SUKEUL Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)
    KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    SAKIEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    SAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    SAKIEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    SAKIEL Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    SAKIEL Lieutenant Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    ...this is a backbone of a list I'm thinking of running in a 400pts TacWindow tournament in two weeks. Sakiel power!
     
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    That is a chunky pile of wounds. Interesting.
     
  19. WiT?

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    Oh man, now we going deep. I've always gone pretty spammy with Tohaa but not like this, every instinct is telling me "find a handful of points to make a Makaul triad instead". Would be keen to see a writeup on how this plays out.