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What about NCA?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Rebel-187, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Turns out garrison troop and military aren't mutually exculsive on Neoterra (which actually makes sense).

    The point isn't that they're not the Fusilier equivalent of Neoterra, they're intended for planetary defense and security duty (ofc we all know they show up in black ops on a regular basis as well lol).
    Neoterra is however still a PanOceanian planet, soldiers get drafted, regiments raised and put to use to protect trade routes, strategic interests or plain old war.
    That's why Fusiliers and Auxilia aren't the same thing. Fusiliers are the export troops meant to function together in the larger workings of the entire PanOceanian military. Auxilia might be the backbone of Neoterra's military concept but don't replace Fusiliers in their role as multipurpose linetroops.
    Regulars on the other hand are a simple rebranding of the Fusilier concept, different gear and adaptive training for different tactical situations. They're not meant to be used for Acontecimento alone, but also see heavy duty use on Paradiso.

    You might find it neccessary to start another angsty rant about how CB is destroying your life or whatever, but you honestly could do a better job most of the time Kan. That is if you actually care about pointing out issues instead of satisfying something entirely different and self serving.
     
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  2. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    The only problem with Auxilia is that for all their Auxbot mastery that we're being told about, they have a whooping one Auxbot variant. They should have more options.

    The Fusilier issue I could never understand. PanO as a faction represents a unified military force, with a lot of standarization going on. It makes perfect sense that their basic infantry is present in most of their sectorial armies, just like Ghulams are present in QK, HB, and will probably be present in RTF. Other factions are either much more fragmented, and their sectorials reflect that (Ariadna, Nomads, CA), or their sectorials represent specific, highly specialized parts of the whole (YJ, Aleph). Haqq is pretty similar to PanO in this regard.

    One PanO sectorial that does stand out are MO; while I had nothing against Fusiliers there, I came to think that it makes perfect sense that they're gone, just like there's no Zhanshi in IS.
     
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  3. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    Everyone can agree that the Auxbot's an under-explored concept for PanO that's actually declined over time. Auxilia with -6 to Dodge templates, or a g:synch double Flash Pulse, actually felt like a highly potent, very elite unit. Despite being the PanO equivalent of BS10 militia, they punched far above their weight and really felt like an example of "tech over raw skill." That was awesome application and utility.

    But as the g:synch rule was proliferated across multiple armies, coupled with nerfs to some key Auxilia strengths, we saw other units start doing g:synch better.

    Given where NCA seems to be in the release schedule, it's likely to stay that way. There's also zero indicator of Auxbot use in VIRD, outside of our standard mech deploy REM.

    Even looking down the road, it's hard to anticipate Svalarheima, with its rugged terrain and adverse climate, being a good place for Auxbots to be deployed.

    So I wondering if we're really seeing the death of the Auxilia as a concept here.

    I like the above comments about Fusiliers vs Auxilia by the way. If you hold up NeoTerra as being the central hub for PanO's various armed entities: military, intelligence, church, corporate... NCA has units to represent participation and vested interest by all those major entities. Mama Aleph is present too. I like that composition. It really represents the "who's who" of power in PanO.
     
  4. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    I think we'll see NCA rebalanced before getting Svalarheima. It will be the opportunity for CB to revisit the concept, hopefully with the same creativity they've applied to VIRD.
     
  5. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    And yet, the blurb I quoted to you disagrees.

    So which is it: Are you wrong or is CB wrong?
     
  6. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    We had that opportunity with N3. We had that opportunity before they hopped over to doing VIRD instead. We had that opportunity before they hopped over to redoing MO so drastically.

    I'm not holding out for anything so significant for NCA. They had an opportunity with Bolts and they had it with Auxilia from the outset. They squandered it instead of bringing Fusiliers in.
     
  7. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    CB, actually. Look at Auxilia, even before their nerf, and at their description as "all-purpose military unit". Regardless of what they're supposed to be in the fluff, the design decision was to make them into something else entirely. Leaving Fusiliers as they are and reworking Auxilia into something more potent - you're right about OS showing how it might've look like, by the way - has much more sense.

    Bolts were mostly a miss, but aside from that the need to redesign anything wasn't that pressing before; it became so only after HSN3, where all factions got something creative going on, while PanO visibly lagged behind in that respect, and only now begins to catch up. Upon sectorial introduction in original HS the field was pretty level, and there was nothing wrong with NCA.
     
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  8. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, Acon/Paradiso got jungle-modified Fusiliers, Sval should have cold-modified Fusiliers (and Zanshi, for the White Banner sectorial). The problem is that you can't really give them helmets (since you'd be getting them confused with Nisse/Guilang), so you'd need fur hats or something. Maybe hoods.
     
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  9. Rebel-187

    Rebel-187 Well-Known Member

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    Well it looks like I kickstarted a large discussion :scream::joy:

    What I think NCA needs is not much.
    First: Bolts need their point cost reduced (as many people say)
    Second: Bolts can join Fusilier Fireteam or Fusilier can join Bolts.
    Third: Some Troops can join Fireteams, like Black-Friar can join Bolts or so.

    Btw.: Can CSU build a Duo in NCA or not like ISS?

    Btw 2.: And please CB, please bring us soon some new Auxillia...... And a updated badass Cutter Mini.... Please :pray:
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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  11. Rebel-187

    Rebel-187 Well-Known Member

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    Well then add that to needed change number four.

    Seriously! It is very odd that they have Fireteam Duo in their profile but they can't build one in sectorials..... Da fuq?
     
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  12. SmaggTheSmug

    SmaggTheSmug Well-Known Member

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    RPG sidenote: I find it odd that, despite there being a generic "Military" career, Fusiliers are a separate Career choice in the PanO book, but Regulars are not. You'd think it would be the other way around, considering Fusiliers are one of the most "generic soldier" unit in look and fluff (probably only out-genericed by Grunts) and Acon Regulars are specialized fighters. Order Sergeant is also a separate career, but that's understandable, as they get different bonuses depending on the Order.
    "Special Forces" covers medium infantry like Akalis or Bolts, so no luck there. I guess Military/Frontiersman or Fusilier/Frontiersman would be the way to go.

    And I agree that having Fusiliers everywhere (aside from Acon) was cool. Maybe removing the Lt. option from MO Fusiliers would be the way to go, but one would expect MO having general army support.
     
  13. SmaggTheSmug

    SmaggTheSmug Well-Known Member

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    Kind of like a discount Drakios and Scylla rolled into one unit, maybe with an Auxbot_2 option as well (so there would finally be some affordable Eclipse for PanO, even if it was more expensive than other factions' smoke chuckers).
    Give the Eclipe Auxilia with it some silly tax so it's up to 20pts, it would still be a great unit.
     
  14. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    No changes for Auxilia themselves, but more Auxbot types. SWAT, Recon, Sniper, Anti-Tank... there's enormous untapped potential there. We've had a few threads about that over the years.
     
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  15. andre61

    andre61 Well-Known Member

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    It would be nice if we got new Auxilia's, with new weapon load outs, How about CB?
     
  16. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Regulares is simply the additional name the Fusilier regiments of Acontecimento have been given. They’re still Fusiliers.
     
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  17. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Who trade ARM for more grit ;P

    (and minelayer xD)
     
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