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We are basically a new faction?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by daboarder, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Aquilas being able to join Bolt Haris teams too, sure.

    Feels like Bolts should really be the fireteam glue of the Sectoral, Coreand Haris, able to join Fusilier teams, and with other stuff linking in with them.
     
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  2. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Free skills that act as a force multiplier for the skills and equipment ghat you do pay for, allowing it ti be actually effective isnt really a lol
     
  3. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Bolts love CQB, FDL1 on Bolts is a big boost, they like it more than a lot of MI do
     
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  4. Cartographer

    Cartographer Well-Known Member

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    It perfectly highlights how much more expensive than their perceived worth they are, exactly the cost of FD1 too expensive (so basically, 2 points).
     
  5. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    That would be alright, if the competition wasn't BETTER than their effective value in points.
     
  6. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    For the role FD1 bolts fill in NCA there is no competition. Not as an agressive midfield dominance unit/link.
    Fusiliers dont do that role, not even when ypu chuck on a bunch of auxilia
     
  7. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Sure, in NCA they are one of the very few things that can get out of the DZ in Deployment.
    Then again if that was extremely important to me I'd just switch to SAA, MO or Vanilla.

    Right now the problems with Bolt remain, their "defining Profile" the Drop Bear guy, is still 4 points too expensive for no reason. Their defensive SWC weapons have anti synergy with the rest of the Link and support for them is rather meh.

    Bravery and the resulting FD1 should not always be used because it can get MI killed rather easily. My Dart has taken down several things that left me scatching my head as the first thing in her path. Most noteworthy an Intruder HMG that had no real reason to be that exposed.
    If you could secure a Bolt Link with cheap Minelayers or midfield Camo Tokens things would be different.

    Aida makes it a bit worse on top of that. If I want to drop Mines on people and hose them with bullets after, she does it for the price of one Bolt. Scanvenger can be pretty useful to grab a long range gun, MSV or to make her a Specialist as well.

    For an entire Link FD1 gives you a better spot for one or two guys if you deploy really aggressive, and in case of Bolts I'd still question their use as an assault team (aside from super heavy Hacking and Haqq).
    Baghs and soon Kamau just do it so much better.
     
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  8. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    aida Swanson really helps fill this role. obviously she isn't comparable to an entire link team but viral mines + smg is killer
     
  9. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Fair point. And your right not as full on a s a link but good in a list that doesnt include bolts.
     
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  10. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    If there was going to be a mixed link in NCA, it could be a Fusilier+Bolts/Fusilier+Orc. There could be an Orc in a Bolt Link (yes please!) or a Bolts joining the ORC Duo or Haris. Or if they gave the Bolts a Haris option, they'd allow 1 or 2 orcs in it. Any of these would be fun, But I'd prefer whichever Option makes me want to take more Bolts. :P

    Orc+4 Bolts and Orc+2 Bolts would be pretty damn fun.

    [​IMG] Neoterran Capitaline Army
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] ORC Lieutenant HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 44)
    [​IMG] BOLT Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] BOLT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] BOLT Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] ORC (Fireteam: Haris) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 36)
    [​IMG] BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] BOLT Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] SWISS GUARD Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 70)
    [​IMG] CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
     
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  11. Shoitaan

    Shoitaan Well-Known Member

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    Apart from durability and a HMG, is there something ORCs bring to Bolts that my inexperience can't see? Bolt kill teams are generally about being killy and controlly with some minor benefits of being able to grab objectives on turn 3 if desperate. Orc is just more of that substantially more durability right? So apart from being more useful during the active turn, its not bringing anything new really. I'd rather have a linkable HI that brings something different, like say MSV2. Bolt links are toolboxes so adding another tool seems appropriate.

    An Orc+2 Bolt Harris as a designated kill team however would be amazingly fun and woudl probably be in every NCA list I write XD
     
  12. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Tinbot. It's only Deflector L1, but every little bit helps to increase BTS make it harder to hit.
     
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  13. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Tinbots don't increase BTS, they reduce ATK WIP.
     
  14. Shoitaan

    Shoitaan Well-Known Member

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    A -3mod on an enemy hacker doesn't feel very useful on a PanO Troop with WIP 12 i.e. I'm reasonably likely to fail the reset. So although I agree in principle with @Section9 that any cheap buff is great, I'd get more utility by spending the signficantly extra amount of points for an Aquila who's rocking higher BS, WIP, BTS, MSV3 and has a sexy trenchcoat.

    But ultimately this is all a moot point because neither option is guaranteed to be available for the eventual NCA update so I don't know what I'm talking about XD
     
  15. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    The -3 MOD brings an Interventors WIP to the same as the Orcs or Bolts. This puts you on a much more level playing field.
     
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  16. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    They would combine quite well for a variety of reasons.
    Orcs are Hackable and vulnerable to E/M while Bolts never heard of that problem.
    Despite being BTS6 with Bioimmunity Bolts still get weak knees against Mines and Perimeter Weapons.
    HMGs play a bigger roll in PanO than for any other Faction, having access to one over a Spitfire is very important.
    Finally Orcs are very expensive for what they do. Being able to offset the price of a high stat no Frenzy HI with way cheaper Bolts makes both more attractive.
     
  17. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    If they don't give Bolts a point discount, at least make a specialist (and/or a possible upcomming haris) profile have dropbears. Now there is little reason to play the paramedic profile over the hacker: hacker has BSG + e/m grenades. If they give dropbears to the paramedic, it will leverage the difference between profiles.
     
  18. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    "my Hacker is so awesome I need my paramedic to be better to justify taking it"

    Really?
     
  19. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    So awesome? No (they're still Bolts)

    A better and more flexible profile, with some utility weapons, who can put to use the BTS 6 (that you are already paying), buffs remotes and can't be isolated? For 3 extra points? Yes
     
  20. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    There's no mention of NCA in contents of Third Offensive. I wouldn't expect anything for them.
     
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