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WarCors - are they of any use?

Discussion in 'General' started by Varsovian, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. KedzioR_vo

    KedzioR_vo Well-Known Member
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    As some friends already wrote, some units fit better to be a good ARO options than other.
    It's usually linked with them being irregular/cheap/having high burst or nice chances of survive (mimetism, odd) or kill enemies in ARO. The best ARO is the one that you can loose - so it's expendable. The enemy have to use some orders to take rid of it, while you loose almost nothing.
    And like @cazboab mentioned, sometimes it's good to take few of these ARO guys into second group.

    For example in my main army, Vanilla Haqqislam, in 300pts ITS tournaments I usually take first full CG with clickers, active guys, mostly regular orders plus some irregular specialists like Hunza or irregular, but very good chaos wreckers / killer like Kasym ;) As my go-to LT is Saladin, I have additional regular order for that group and those are guys that need to be alive ;)
    And the second group is made for making the enemy's life harder ;) So usually I take there Warcor for his Flash Pulse, few Daylamis (cheap, 7pts guys with Panzerfausts or 8pts guys with inferior infiltration), maybe some Ghazis to keep my Deployment Zone safe, and some regulars like Baggage bots. Or even Shihab - so a REM with Total Reaction HMG who also works very good in ARO.
    So the second group is made of units that are dangerous (Panzerfaust!), can destroy the plan of my adversary, but are also expendable and loosing them won't hurt me much.

    I like to play aggresively so sometimes I use even my main group killers for some mass ARO, like Lasiq sniper, Djan HMG, but that's just the style of play that I prefer.

    It's a bit different in Bayram, yet we also have some cheap untis that can make a decent AROing second group - like Warcor, Fugazi (flash pulse with mimetism), or some Sniper. Maybe even Le Muet, as he can be a pain for the enemy, yet he's expensive.
    And we have links, so it's easier to build a heavy hitting and tough ARO.

    And by the way I'm not so sure that 1CG armies are so popular now - for some factions it's still better to take few Combat Groups, and I think that even in Bayram it's possbile.


    PozdRawiam / Greetings
     
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  2. Abrilete

    Abrilete Well-Known Member

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    The problem is that, in some scenarios, pushing a button is considered an attack.

    This happened me last Sunday, where a dammed Warcor kept Flash-Pulsing my troopers trying to reach the Objectives. And I forgot about it over and over again. He even won the FtF roll against an HMG Sukeul (because we forgot the Sukeul had Mimetism T_T )
     
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  3. Natsymir

    Natsymir Well-Known Member

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    It's worse than that. In "Capture and Protect", for example, just picking up the enemy beacon is considered an attack, even though there's no dice roll involved.
     
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  4. TheDiceAbide

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    It's hard to push the right button when you can't see which button you're pushing. ;)

    I am pretty sure in every scenario with button pushing, they are labeled attacks. Warcors are amazing, don't let people take your objectives without working for it!
     
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  5. DeBomas

    DeBomas New Member

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    I might be wrong, but my N3-book says 'flash pulse' has 'flash ammo', which in turn leads to 'blinded' state (and not 'stunned').
    'Blinded' in turn means that you can't do anything that requires drawing LoF, but since pushing buttons doesn't require LoF, I think button pushing does work when blinded ...

    Was flash pulse or flash ammo changed since N3 was published ?
     
  6. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yes, check HSN3 or the wiki.

    http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Flash_Special_Ammunition
     
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  7. DeBomas

    DeBomas New Member

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    Right, many thanks !

    I should start doing everything by wiki instead of by book ... :-)
     
  8. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Nope, the books have preference over the wiki. However, flash ammo was removed on HSN3 in favour for Stunned state (and the Thorakites from Steel Phalanx lost their Flash Grenades, getting a total weapon revamp).

    The order or priority when looking for contradicting rules is: FAQ > HSN3 > N3 rulebook > Wiki

    The wiki has the advantage of pasting the FAQ relevant for each rule in that rule's page, however, making it very convenient.
     
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  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Pushing buttons is an attack to prevent models in Retreat! from pushing buttons.

    I'm not sure that Flash Pulse needs to be "solved". It's a longer ranged crutch defence for a lot of units other than Warcors.
     
  10. Varsovian

    Varsovian Well-Known Member

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    Coming back to the WarCors - a question:

    The male WarCor with an aerocam. Does the aerocam come with some sort of transparent base, as it's supposed to be floating?
     
  11. jfunkd

    jfunkd hard forum hittin Carlos
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    The one I purchased did. It's like a token though, it's not all that important to have there. Some I have seen have the Aerocam mounted to the same base as the Warcor.
     
  12. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Yes, it should have a transparent hexagonal base with a peg.
     
  13. solkan

    solkan Well-Known Member

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    That's fascinating what you're making up, there. Are you next going to claim that there's precedence between the different language versions? Or claims that Army is infallible compared to the books?
     
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  14. chromedog

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    When you have to make a choice between having a journalist shot and one of "your guys", then send in the warcor. If he dies, no great loss. :D
     
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  15. Superfluid

    Superfluid Welcome to Svalarheima

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    In my last tournament my Warcor flash pulsed 2/5ths of a myrm link as it ran across open ground including the spitfire and ajax himself.

    And in another game he turned into a regular order so I could repair my TAG.

    Love the dude so much. He's rubbish at nearly everything, but not rubbish enough that he can be ignored. Else that's how your tiger soldier eats an unopposed stun pistol when you try and drop him in.
     
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  16. TriggerPuller9000

    TriggerPuller9000 Poverty Orde Wingate

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    Warcors are amazing. You haven't lived until you've given your opponent's 100 point TAG a Fake News surprise, or otherwise halted the rampage of some other aggressive piece.

    I actually use them in a slightly more suicidal capacity - I leave a member of the press in an annoying position to prevent Cautious Moves or Stealth moves through a Ghazi or Hacker's Zone of Control. They either eat the Flash Pulse, shoot the Warcor and eat the hack, or have to spend multiple orders dealing with the situation. This works best with a Hidden Deployed hacker.

    Also, you can use them for free Discover attempts against camo markers. Sure, they might shoot you, but if they do they reveal anyway. Buddy one up with a TR bot and let your opponent figure out if that move-move is going to get him to Total Cover.
     
  17. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    Awww. I read the title and got ready to sit back with some popcorn and watch the ensuing mayhem. He meant actual in-game Warcors...
     
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  18. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Which doesn't conflict with the notion of causing mayhem though.
     
  19. tdc

    tdc ALEPH Fragment
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    Was totally expecting the same thing xD
     
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