The absolute latest it could be is just before making any ARM or BTS Rolls, as it would change the Rolls.
I'd strongly urge CB to consider the "choice of ARM or BTS" clause of Total Immunity. Right now what that does to Karakuris is nuts. Also add Vulnerability: Stun to dog-warriors for fluff's sake, at least.
What does it exactly do to them? Gives you a 3 or 6 choice? It allows to treat BTS ammo as Normal to Doge and the Devil Dog can choose ARM4 instead of BTS0 :P Yeah, no. Go away, Warcor / flashbot spam. That was the most idiotic thing I faced as Ariadna :D
It basically makes Karakuris ARM 6 without having to pay for it. This is way scarier than many of the other guys with Total Immunity because they have 2 wounds and Dogged. Sun Tze is another they might want to give a look. I didn't say Flash, I said Stun. Because Loup-Garous have Stun Grenades. Then again, they used to be Flash Grenades, back when dog warriors used to be immune to Stun. The important thing is it's a pretty severe fluff fail that tacks against several unit alterations they've made in the past.
OK, how does this interact with skills or weapons that cause ARM or BTS rolls, but don't use special ammunition? eg. Sepsitor, Protheion. From my reading, seems they'd not be immune to the effects, but could still pick whether to use ARM or BTS?
I think the choice between ARM and BTS only goes for special ammos : TI turns special into normal and make you choose between ARM and BTS, that choice being part of TI special skill. If it's normal ammo TI simply doesn't apply. At least i hope it is the way it works...
So Karakuri are now effectively "ARM6" Heavy Infantry? Is there ever a case where they would use their ARM3 for anything?
Not with the way the rule is written: "When suffering a successful Attack or being affected by any weapon or rule that forces any ARM or BTS Rolls"
Karakuri are now 3 points more costly, so it is not for free. I don't think Sun needs a nerf. Sun is paying for Strategos regardless if LT or not, meaning for the non-LT profiles you already have increased price tag and for the LT profiles you're looking at sending your LT into harms way if you try to make use of it. Sun2 could possibly become viable if he received increased BTS to 6. P.s. both Karakuri and Sun1 lost their increassd protection versus Stop! and Carbonite.
Can I have original price of Hospitallers with TI ? Or Jotum with TI also for 2 pts (both him and Dogo Warrior have 3 wounds!) Yea, Doggo just need to not engage drones, or dodge them on 16s ;P Srsly I really don't think we should have "flash immune" 3W attack pieces running around. Or just make it that all TAGs+Achilles also are Flash/Stun immune.
What happens if a TI unit is hit with a EM CCW? Or by a Zhayedan with Breaker+Shock? ONly one roll or still two?
When suffering a successful Attack or being affected by any weapon or rule that forces any ARM or BTS Rolls, the owner is immune to the special effects of the Special Ammunitions, treating them as Normal Ammunition. So it will all be Normal ammo.
When suffering a successful Attack or being affected by any weapon or rule that forces any ARM or BTS Rolls, the owner is immune to the special effects of the Special Ammunitions, treating them as Normal Ammunition. So a hit with Monofilament becomes a Damage 12 Ammo N attack? (Can Shinobu please get a knife?) What about a crit? Does the phrase '...bypassing the usual ARM Roll.' negate the application of TI?
