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Tohaa winners @ Rumble on Route 66

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by barakiel, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    Not a Tohaa dude myself, but wanted to shout out to two Tohaa players who dominated at Rumble on Route 66. Through 5 rounds and 150 players, waketheghost and @nehemiah claimed 3rd and 4th Overall, respectively. Congratulations, guys!
     
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  2. Postmortem

    Postmortem Kazak Arachnophile

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    Congrats to them both!

    150 players and 5 rounds.../drool
     
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  3. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! You did not do too bad yourself with 2nd place.
     
  4. Ryun

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    Congrats!

    I was wondering if you could tell me about the list and the direction of the play :heart_eyes:
     
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  5. melkiach

    melkiach Well-Known Member

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    GJ both of you!!!
     
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  6. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    Sure!

    Going into the tournament I wanted to try out some of the new additions to the army, but wanting to play with a fully painted army, as well as just picking up the box at Adepticon, I had to prioritize between what I wanted to play, and what I could get painted in time.

    With that in mind I settled on this list for Decapitation and Firefight:


    Mind Your Head
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KIIUTAN Combi Rifle / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    SUKEUL Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)
    KAMAEL Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)

    3.5 SWC | 300 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    The idea behind this list was to use the Krakot or Kiuutan as my datatracker for decapitation depending on the table layout and if I was going first or second, and to use them to cause as much damage as possible in Firefight.
    The Kriigel was there to add a buffer zone for my Lt with Eraser, and provide White Noise for my Missile Launcher as needed.
    The Taagma was there to grant me a Counter Intelligence, and pretend to be Neema Saatar with a Spitfire with the hope that someone would mistake her as my Lieutenant in Firefight.
    The Draal was also another possible option as a datatracker in Decapitation, but I thought it would be most useful for setting up additional obstacles for units making a rush at my Lieutenant by setting up Dazers as needed.

    For Unmasking, Supplies, and Acquisition, I came up with this:

    Nobody Expects the Tohaa Acquisition!
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    SUKEUL Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)
    KAMAEL Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    KERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] SURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)

    4.5 SWC | 297 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    The idea here was to pair the Draal with the Gao-Real and Makaul and use the Draal's Stratus Cloud to give the Gao-Real an additional edge in firefights. I also wanted the Draal to use his Dazer to slow units units trying to get to the objectives.
    The Taagma was to grant Counter Intelligence, and to hide as a Sukeul with HMG so my opponents would think there was a long range threat waiting in the wings.
     
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  7. Ryun

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    Thank you for the Great report. It was very helpful :)
     
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  8. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Excellent work, lads. :)
     
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  9. borings

    borings Well-Known Member

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    Ive had good results with putting the taagma in a triad in the back as a gao rael sniper. Prone behind cover, but in a position to see other sniper spots. Congrats on the wins!
     
  10. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I mean they'd have to be a bit of a dummy to miss the part where you're down a command token because no advanced command, at which point if they do miss that they're probably the kind of opponent that doesn't know enough about the game to actually know any of the LT options you actually have so either way it doesn't really work.

    You'd probably be better off just duplicating another Sukeul LT profile. Just remember HP shenanigans need to trick someone into thinking the incorrect thing. If your opponent isn't capable of thinking in the first place, they can't be tricked.
     
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  11. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    Neema has a non-LT profile too.
     
  12. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't help him achieve what he was trying to do at all. You can't fool your opponent into thinking it might be Neema because Neema doesn't have an LT profile without Advanced Command.

    It'd be like me trying to trick my opponent into thinking Sun Tze is my LT with a Kanren, except he'd be questioning why the hell I wasn't using Strategos.
     
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  13. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    Knowing Neema is a Lieutenant does not necessarily mean the opponent is going to know everything she does, and the lack of an extra command token is an easy thing to over look. It was a calculated risk that they would see through the ruse, but Neema is also worth lot of army points in Firefight, so she is still a tempting target and is still useful for splitting your opponent's attention.
     
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    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    In my experience the type of opponents who can actively figure out what model your LT is tend to be packing weapons grade autism, they're gonna notice.
     
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  15. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, I was banking on running into someone without such a trait, but who would still recognize a high point potential lieutenant in a mission which prioritizes killing more Lieutenants, and more army points.
     
  16. El tito Zylito

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    what are you trying to achieve with that?
     
  17. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    My assumption is this to attempt to fool the opponent into either keeping their head down at the end of their active turn leaving with a lighter ARO presence to deal with on your active turn, or leading them to set up powerful AROs against the fake Gao-Real which may leave them out of place against units you are intending to use.

    I have done this before with Kotail disguised as Le Muet prone atop a building.
     
  18. borings

    borings Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much this exactly. It seems to lead to people positioning in ways they wouldnt, either to avoid being shot at by the sniper, or to pin down the sniper if he decides to stand up. Both situations are good.
     
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  19. Cothel

    Cothel Well-Known Member

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    Some people just don't like the psychological warfare because you can't put it into a dice calculator. If they can't put numbers to it they just don't see the logic. Personally I have fun with the psychological stuff. I know that I have tools that mess with my opponent despite them not being the best options. Using those options can be more reliable than dice sometimes.
     
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  20. WakeTheGhost

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    This is my first time posting so I apologize in advance for formatting issues. Additionally, while I've been playing for about 2 years, I started playing Tohaa for ITS X, coming from Vanilla Nomads. Both lists were capable of handling all of the missions so it was a matter of picking the list based on the table and opponent's faction.


    It's My First Time... Be Gentle
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]2
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    KIIUTAN Combi Rifle / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
    KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
    Open in Infinity Army

    This list was used for Unmasking vs Morats, Supplies vs Bakunin, and Decapitation vs Arianda. The Kiiutan was out of marker state with a SymbioBomb in all missions but Decapitation where it went for the roll to get near to my opponents LT (and failed). The Kiiutan also was used to draw my opponents Extremely Impetuous troops into the fire lanes of my Gao-Rael sniper. The Sukeul HMG and Draal AP Marksman Rifle were used to take care of standard ARO threats. The Draal and CoC Kaeltar moved up to press the buttons/grab the box and the Clipsos FO went for the remaining objective and hunted LT's as a backup for the Kiiutan.


    (Almost) Ready to Rumble!!!
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    SUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
    SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    SUKEUL Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 36)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
    DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]1
    LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
    KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
    Open in Infinity Army

    This list was used for Acquisition vs Combined Army and Firefight vs JSA. The Draal was my reserve, not part of a Triad and used to push forward and drop Dazers to slow my opponents approach while also threatening in suppression. The Sukeul FO was the DataTracker.

    Feel free to ask any questions about the lists or approach if there's anything you're curious about.
     
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