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Thoughts about how the new ITS 10 rules affect us?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Maksimas, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    regardless of points, certain factions will get a lot more mileage out of certain models than others will.

    Let's start with an old classic: put an Aquila Guard into Yu Jing. He's worth a lot more than that same Aquila Guard in a PanO list, just because of the Smoke-MSV synergy.
     
  2. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Glad you think so.

    Infinity has a lot more variables than points which affect a model's "value". You can discuss how "point efficient" models are, but its ultimately a bit of a worthless discussion if it ignores all the other variables.

    Except in the most egregious of cases. Eg. Most factions wouldn't take bolts.
     
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  3. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I agree with that, they're very much like a YJ unit. No, they aren't razor-focused and optimized. They can do things besides shoot!
     
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  4. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    Ironically enough, I could actually imagine YJ players using them in YJ.
     
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  5. Shinen

    Shinen Well-Known Member

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    E/M Nades on a doorkicker bsg, a ML that hits the front of a barn and has a defensive weapon for close range, cheaper as an zanying... count me in.

    Edit: and fd 1 in its 10 for holoprojector/kanren shenanigans.
     
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  6. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    That new FD really is what would make us want to have Bolts. At least one of our Holoprojector units could disguise itself better then!
     
  7. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    Xenotech opens up pretty crazy but at the moment legal abuse of MSV2.
    CivEvac model and controller provide one ARO, right? So you leash it to Hsien HMG at deployment, put smoke, dangle Xenotech on the first half outside of smoke, trigger AROs (just Dodge or maybe eclipse smoke), then shoot on the second without any risk of dying to linked ML. Broken as hell!
    Just like Haris madtraps abuse, except even in Vanilla, for no cost and not-expendable

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    AHD Tiger can now do 9 classifieds not counting general ones thanks to new objectives for HI, MI, Veteran and Elite.
    YJ and ISS already do classifieds incredibly well, so you won't even need to adjust your Highly Classified lists.

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    Xi Zhuang, Lunah and Sforza should be reclassified as Characters imo, especially the former, since all Dire Foes prior to his pack get Character.
    Maybe Bao or Zhanying could be reclassified as MI, they already are in that point range and, as we see on Yadu, 4-2 is not universal anymore.
     
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  8. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    MIs have the same problems that TAGs.

    In MIs case - you pay a lot more than if you were to bring a LI, and get almost no benefit from it. +1BS and 2 points of armor maybe, but armor is meaningless in the active turn (if you are loosing active it is likely due to a crit), and the +1BS is very meh for the price you pay - something like camo or mimetism would be *much* better. And you are paying 50-75% extra over said LI. For a MI to be useful today it must bring equipment that sets it apart from what you could do with a LI, or have a pretty hefty frenzy discount ( *cough* thorakites)

    MBT TAGs have the same problem. Same firepower as a HI, double the cost. Extra armor is meaningless on the active, and while the extra wound is nice, it is way too expensive.

    As for YJ in particular - the AD change is great for Tigers, and they are already one of the better drop units in the game. You don't get benefit from the MI buff, but very few units of MI are worth bringing on in the first place on many factions. So yeah, not the greatest new rules for YJ. I hope the AD changes are enough to actually make you drop your units instead of walking them from the sides, because newadays it is almost all I ever do with them.
     
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  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Lunah is a Character according to Army. If she wasn't you'd be able to take two of her, but Army filters her out in Yu Jing and ISS.
     
  10. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    You cant take 2 of her due to AVA 1, she has Mercenary Troops classification, not a Character, which is what is important for this season rule.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, sure, but it's interesting how several of the Mercenary Characters aren't specified to be Characters anywhere but are treated as such. Not to mention that the SOF extra specifies that Characters can't be duplicated, which actually means nothing since none of the Mercenaries are formally Characters.
     
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  12. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Be aware that all but Ariadna can do this exploit (RAW is ok!), and Ariadna would depend on Le Muet... (unoptimal at best). But the Marut has just won the lottery, while the Operations Sub Section has suffered a big blow unless SoF is allowed (to use Yuan Yuan as smokers) :S
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Muet doesn't have MSV2 and can't see through smoke. Pan-O doesn't have smoke to see through :)
     
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    PanO can get smoke with Yuan Yuans if SoF... But yeah, Ariadna is screwed.

    Then again, funnily enough Ariadna has the only HI engineer in the whole game (the Moblot), at least I think so xD
     
  15. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    I find it curious that Brawlers haven't been added to the general roster of Mercenaries yet characters have.
     
  16. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    For now
     
  17. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Real Heavy Infantry don't have 1W. Moblots are MI with delusions of adequacy.
     
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  18. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    This is basically almost every single Ariadnan HI.
     
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    That somehow trick the cold of certain mission better than troops prepared for the mountains like the guilang, the Nisses, etc... Despite the Moblots being trained for jungles...

    Kinda like sending Catachans instead of Valhallans to fight in a frozen moon and discover that the rambo-expies perform better than ones who literally grown up during a glacial age XD
     
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  20. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    Wulvers are the 'real' ARM3 HI of Ariadna. And they're a WB!
     
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