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The Third Offensive

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Skjarr, Oct 1, 2018.

  1. Skjarr

    Skjarr EI Mouthpiece

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    Dare we hope for a Ko Dali resculpt and rework?
     
  2. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    I don't think they could copy Kerrigan more than the current sculpt.
     
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  3. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Look at Bit. They sure can if they add that laminated, scaly dress style. But I don't think they will do that.

    On the topic of MAF changes, I really hope we see an overhaul on the sectorial. It would be cool to get tiny buffs and changes all across the board:
    -Cheaper OR better armored vanguards;
    -Higher PH suryats;
    -Rework sogarats (like the raicho was reworked);
    -Rework zerats (again, like raicho);
    -Higher PH rasyats;
    -Cheaper yaogats;
    -Better daturazi options;

    Any of these would be cool. All of these would be really awesome.
     
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  4. Aspect Graviton

    Aspect Graviton Friendly Alien Overlord
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    Think we've done the what we'd change with morats a few times now, seems a reasonable summary. Raktoraks to get wildcard with the Lt would still be my particular wish. Chatting to bostria at gencon I'm pretty hopeful for "phy-14+-suryats-now". Zerats for me need something as an unsupported infiltrator without a marker state.

    Not sure what I'd want from soggys, an unlinkable FAL2 profile? just more versatility like the more recent S5 HI (the Al Fasid as the supreme example), perhaps a direct template weapon.

    Cheaper yaogats or at least a mixed team (but with what?) would be good. perhaps a hungries control device so you have your counter insurgency and occupation troops with your attack dogs?

    Pretty cool with Datz as they are I get good use out of the combi and BSG profiles, and the Rasyat I can certainly see the argument for Phy 14.

    Not sure what they'd do with vanguards, I think we're pretty much tied into 14pt line troops forever much like pano will NEVER have smoke. and an armour buff while an obvious thing with the look of the models starts to step on the MI, maybe getting a multi sniper rather than the astoundingly substandard K1.

    I also wouldn't want a re-work of Ko-Dali, she's terrifying as is.

    Not sure if Shas will make it into this book, hope they do but not expecting anything.
     
  5. Gus-its

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    MAF rework wishes :

    - sogarat full auto lvl2
    - arm 3 on vanguard I
    - raktorak wildcard FT
    - rasyat specialist option
    - cheaper yaogat?
     
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  6. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Godfuggingdammit why people keep asking for Full Auto on the Sogarat? I don't want another Kriza!

    (I might be the only MAF player with this issue as I play Nomads too)
     
  7. Pyra

    Pyra Warmongering Potatoe

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    what MAF needs:
    - revaluation of cost of the Morat rule: it is too expenisve for what it does; especially on higher end cost units like HI
    - infiltrating specialist that is playable: either cheaper zerat or marker state zerat
    - something needs to be done to the vanguards: possible arm3 and/or bs 12? points reduction?
    - more mixed links options; nowadays popular MI in LI mix like single rodok/yaogat in vanguards; Roktorak wildcard?
    - I would personally prefer to see a points decrease on suryats then PH 14.
    - give sogorats some cool rule to make them less bland or decrease their points cos; sogorats are way too expensive compared to krizza/azrail/alfasid type units that due to their extra equipment or rules are more cost-effective
     
  8. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    Oh, huh, I missed the autocannon kurgat render somehow. I like this one way more than the new shotgun model.
     
  9. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Adding Minelayer on Zerats *without an swc tax* would be a solid option imo. Like a Ryuken 9 light. Would need the nil swc though, cos MAF is an SWC hungry force.

    On the topic of Full Auto - the model that should've had ot was the Raicho. The description of it explains half its weight at deployment is ammo reserves to support thei fighting style of "indiscriminate fire". And it missed out - so I don't see too much likelihood in Sogs getting it.

    As I've said elsewhere -
    Datz KHD or linkable character with KHD
    Vanguard - something? Even just a buff to bs12?
    Zerats - as above
    Rodoks - Haris option
    No Haris options set at 1 swc
    I'd also be interested to see a MAF specific Krakot profile
     
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  10. Plex

    Plex Taagma without a scheme

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    I'm not expecting this, but I'd love to see MAF get a female, forward deploying, close combat oriented unit with sensor, preferably in power armor.
     
  11. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Doesn't really fit with morat culture unless it comes from the zerat > anyat (forward operative/skirmisher) or oznat > raicho (big game hunting) pathways, or they invent a new one (which is entirely possible of course).

    A model like that is more sort of needed over on the shasvastii side. They could use a HI-equiv, something like a shikami or asawira and maybe has Protheon L5 (cuz no-one has that level yet).


    Honestly I'm expecting the announced Morat updates to be exceedingly minor. A couple of tiny extra profiles - a Zerat KHD being the most obvious - and not much else.
     
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  12. Lesh'

    Lesh' Infinity LATVIA
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    I also have doubts that we'll get a major update for Morats.

    My issues with Morats are:
    - Vanguards are really subpar. Don't know what can be done about it. -1pt perhaps, or at least a K1 -> MSR change
    - Kurgats. Either autocannon be linkable, or at least a BS12, as otherwise I don't see really a point in taking that harris at all.
    - Yaogats to become a bit cheaper. Currently they way too expensive in my opinion for what they can do.
    - Sogarats...maybe new different profile, I don' t know, or some other linkable options. They are way too pricey for what they can do, in my opinion.
    - Suryats to PH14
    - Zerats need something, they are weak right now.
     
  13. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    What did I missed? :thinking_face:
    They are a normal warband unit with mimetism and Smoke on an regular Order for 14 points.
    Don't know what else you want.
     
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  14. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Yeah. When I was conducting my MAF Survey two years ago Daturazi were one of the units that were judged to be above average. Granted, there are cheaper warbands, but Dats leave them in the dust when it comes to CC potential.
     
  15. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Regular and Impetuous is worth more than you'd think, and they're the strongest CC troop in the entire faction that isn't a 40+ point character.
     
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  16. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    The 14 points option has an AP CCW instead of a DA CCW like most warbands. Also the other options (shotgun, combi) are pretty bad and a little overcosted. I would love to see them get Haris or something that would make those options worth it.
     
  17. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Normaly, you have one, sometimes two valid options for the warbands, mostly the cheapest with HFT or CR. What you complain about the other profiles is standard.
    AP vs. DA is another thing. With Mimetism you will get them easier into CC if you don't ran into MSV. You will win more FtF Rolls etc...
    You can get your DA for a reasonable price.
    Therfore I think you want things, that are too good to be true.
     
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  18. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    I will give you the point about valid options for warbands, but you have to remember that there are few warbands that can link (I can only think Jaguars right now, and Jaguars have valid options all around). So asking for more interesting options in a linkable troop is reasonable, I think.

    Also, Krakots have DA CCWs. That, combined with the dual chainrifles has made them more common than Daturazi in MAF, at least for me, as usually if I need smoke I take a hungry link and if I need deployment defense/midfield cleaning I take krakots.

    I don't think Daturazi are bad, I just feel they are eclipsed by other units in their own faction and I would like them to have their own benefits enough that choosing between them and Krakots/Hungries felt more like and actual tactical choice.
     
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  19. Plex

    Plex Taagma without a scheme

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    I agree about Datz, I'd rather have a Krakot any day. But then, I have some crazy curse on me where it seems like I roll 18+, 70% of the time when I throw smoke.
     
  20. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Because you have two better option for things you can do with the Daturazi should get better so that he can fulfill the Role of both?
    There are many units in sectorials who are overshadowed by other units.
    If you cut of MA4 to MA2 and remove Mimetism, you could give them DA CC Weapon on a Chainrifle profile. Everything else would be over the top.

    PS: You missed Makaul for Fireteam options.
     
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