A whole lot of people say disgusting dumb things without thinking hard enough of their own. Especially statements like that. In fact, exactly that statement. But not to worry, I'm perfectly willing to believe you thought hard about it and still came up with something that terrible. That just makes it worse though.
Yeah, when this stuff is said about the "heroes of humanity" (Aleph) Achilles and Ajax, I'm not sure that one reference to their "brutality and violence" is really sufficient to tar the whole race as Savages who feed on violence :P
Still an idiot. The fact that you don't understand why you are an idiot shows a basic misunderstanding of society, or worse. You don't even seem to really get Nietzche, but it's always cool to quote him, right? Do you know who didn't get Nietzche neither but liked to use him to legitimate ABSOLUTE SHIT? Well, I'm sure you know, being so intelligent and all. Seriously, probably the grossest shit I have read in these forums, and it really freaks me out. No wonder we are seeing a resurgence of retarded fascists.
People who think they're smart enough to morally rationalise slavery and defend their position with a bit of Nietzsche are being extremely stupid, is what it is. Nietzsche wrote in support of actual, real, racial slavery btw. So if you use him to defend your extremely spurious point on the moral conditions of hypothetical slaves remember you're quoting the philosophy of a guy who at least in his youth thought some races were different slave species. Go out in the world, meet some people, have a beer, socialise yourself, stop basing your ethics on some ridiculous idea that you're an Ubermensch
I'm trying to convince myself that he'd be good even if he was allowed in a Haris. So far, not feeling it.
Much like the previous kurgat, it's a good model but I haven't got a clue where they were going with the poses
That was entirely... interesting... and stops now, I think it is a time we update the rules about politics, but thanks for making a case about sociophylosophical discussions too...
I agree. It would be nice if @Koni could give us some hint about Kurgats in Third Offensive like he did with Mowang in the Yu Jing subforum.
I understand why most of you are upset, I'm not hurt by any of your reactions because I know your perceptions on what I'm saying aren't as clear and maybe I myself am not being as clear as I can be. If you go back to what I originally said, I said I'm mostly against slavery but not entirely. I don't care at all for racial slavery, that bit actually does bother me, or the active collection of people into slavery as well as generational slavery. However, if one had gone to war against somebody, not the reasons that the US goes to war for in recent times but in defense against say Nazi Germany as an easy example. It's very much a prison labor activity from my perception and if anyone is really being honest that's what war reperations are. Innocent boys and girls however who were just children at the time end up having to work double duty as teens and adults for the sins of possibly no one in their immediate family. If you're gonna take slaves don't do that way. For that matter, if your gonna take slaves don't don't do it through Fiat currency and taxation. Don't do it through a racket as the current medical system does. If Smedly we're a doctor instead of a general he would say the same thing. So no I would not take a whole race of people as slaves. I would not take a whole nation's children and grandchildren children. For me it would simply be individuals who were real criminals and let's not confuse anything with what I'm saying with the creation of legislation and a system of laws that turned American slaves into American prisoners. I mean for example take the scientists who conducted the Tuskegee experiments as slaves. You know one of the major problems with the American prisoners system is they have free Americans paying for food and housing of people they don't even want to know, but their tax dollars are also lining pockets. Remember I said I'm mostly against slavery but for some who is a "real" criminal, that I have no problem with. I don't however believe in a system of laws because that can be corrupted into something just as bad which we've seen here in America. I'll admit that just stating "slavery isn't bad from a slave owner's view" doesn't explain anything but it also doesn't explicitly state details of heinous crime eaither. It's a point to be made describing their is always another view and if you want something as close to the truth you have to at least go meet the other party half way. For me freedom is being free 100% so I can at least admit that until most people wake up about things like the Federal Reserve or the system of laws that have been built up and the police state that enforces it, I like every one else am slaved to this system. I could go on but I don't care to, if none of you choose to see my point or ask questions for clarification I don't care to explain further. That is in part what Neitzsche meant by Ubermensch, not any race of people but a person who can take them selves out of the collective whole and think for themselves. So if your opinion doesn't change, I don't care, it's not my job to please but at least now there's something deeper added to the discussion.
I was going to ask people to pipe down, but Pyschotic Storm beat me to it. Guys, let's please not lock down a thread because it's devolved into off topic debate and personal attacks However, @wuji I mostly disagree with your views on the MAF being orcs, at least not fantasy orcs. They do remind me a lot of the Warcraft Orcs in that they are indeed savage and violent, but have a certain code of honor and could be construed as heroes from their own perspective. Kornak is a mass murdering psycho, though. That being said, I found out today that Kurgats are getting a minor buff, so yay to that. However, I strongly disagree that MAF should get the Tunguska treatment and get all the fat trimmed off for extremely optimized profiles. I've said in this thread and others that I'd rather pay more for more than less for less. And in regards to the Morat Rule, it's only overcosted in the following models: Vanguards (1-2 pts), Yaogats (1 point), Zerats (1-2 points), Sogarats (2-3 points) and kurgats (1-2) points. Everyone else has it very fair for what they get. Suryats are an odd exception in that they would be fair costed if they had PH14 like the rest of the HI in their cost bracket does. And finally @wuji again: Please let's not get this thread locked down. We want to discuss updates on our faction, not talk political and sociological beliefs.
Yeah man I got you, and I'm not offended by anyone because I can tell by everyone's reactions their perception of me is far from the truth. I agree their is a significant difference between Tolkein Orcs and Warcraft. I do usually think of the more honorable Orc than the hordes of mindless Orcs. I appreciated the Uruks, Bolg and Azok for having some character. I do remember the Raicho was like 5 points over. I once did a calculation for the Morat rule on units and it did swing wild like this. I think with PH 14 and no CC skills on the Suryat I want it to have grenades. Playing off the PH. Maybe E/M or the mythical incendiary grenade :P Trimming the fat was in response to someone else but I don't remember anything about Kornak being a mass murderer. A psycho yes, cause he's kind of balls out.
The last two pages have been an absolute wild ride. That said, I'm keen to see the Morat changes when they all go live and see how much they shape up with new play options.
It's scary to think that there are individuals out there, who look like you and I, who walk around society blending in, who believe this kind of shit. not just the ridiculous view on slavery, but the commitment to the idea that they are somehow more aware, or smarter, or more enlightened than everyone else. it's really rather delusional. Anyway, I don't think the morat rule is going to be recosted or anything like that, we've seen updated Suryat profiles. Even if Kurgat Autocannon can Harris – I think it's still a pretty lousy option and not much can really change that. maybe if it was 1 SWC
