@ijw - Hungries Control Device I can't decide if the text for this would prevent a Raktorak from joining an Oznat/Hungries link using his new Wildcard status. The device says; I'm unsure if this implies that a model that is not a Hungry needs a device to be part of the link (ie, the Oznats), or if the implication is just that one model needs the device to form the Core. EDIT - additional - The the text on the device also says "the bearer cannot compose more Fireteams: Core during the game" - so would this prevent you creating a Core of 2 Oznats + 1-2 Raktoraks, or 1 Oznat + 2 Raktoraks after deployment? The existing AVA charts haven't been touched since pre-Bit&Kiss. When they update the PDFs, they don't update the whole PDF. They merely add what is new. In the case of Bit&Kiss, I don't believe they even got around to adding their profile in. I'm beginning to think that assuming CB forgot to add them is a huge reach - especially if them not being shown in the existing and antiquated AVA charts is the only justification.
@ijw is "wildcard" getting an actual rule or is it just shorthand? I feel like if it was an actual rule that would help with issues like the above.
According to official Infinity facebook page Sogarats are no longer linkable (Kornak can only link with Suryats). So maybe we will see some change to Sogarat profile.
I'll wait to see what the whole deal is before flipping my lid but I fail to see the logic in removing it. It was hardly broken and was quite fun to run occasionally.
Okay, I've been trying to keep my cool about this update, and I still defend that we should wait until the actual book comes out before we take any conclusions, but... ____________________________________ Fuck me running! What the actual fuck? Like, what the fuck? Seriously, what the fuck? We just got news that Yan Huos are going to haris, fuckmothering Krizas can haris and Sogarats can't? What the fuck? What the goddamn fuck? Please pardon my morat but what in the nine monkey infested, poop flinging, overcosted hells is this? Are they activelly trying to make what's probably one of the most iconic models on the MAF line useless? What the flying fuck? Are they afraid the raktorak wildcard is going to make Sog haris OP? What the hell is the CB design team huffing and how much do I have to pay to get it? Seriously what the fuck? I am completely flabbergasted by these news, and I feel that unless they revamp the Sog into Kriza levels of bullshit, fuck, no, that wouldn't be enough because Krizas can drag specialists with them now. Unless they revamp the Sog into Achilles levels of bullshit this is still going to feel like a kick into the already swollen and reddened nuts of the MAF (or the butt, if you want to make this gender neutral). In general: What the fuck, CB? ______________________________________ Okay, for the record: the above was mostly profane humor and does not, in fact, reflect my complete viewpoint about these news. However, I will say that removing the Sog Haris is a bad idea, and we really need something to compensate for it. The Sogarat would have to be buffed up to be worth taking on its own versus a Budget Suryat or just using a Raicho, because right now they're awkwardly squeezed between those two, and aside from the 150 points deathball in some LI missions, I feel there are very few reasons to use a Sog nowadays. So yes, CB, please buff the Sogarat.
1. I think their social media presence is not well managed 2. At this point I'm just going to stop paying attention to any/all rumors and wait for the army update, because I don't think I can actually handle the current state of the forums
Ugh. I can still see the value of a Sogarat Lt, but this news does hurt my feels. I used to use the full Soggy link of 3 + kornak in n2, but it only worked because Hungries were broken. I haven't tried it in N3. I wonder what balm it would take to wash this salt away? Total Reaction?
Called it. I'm assuming CB has the stats to show it wasn't used particularly often, therefore justifying its removal. Shame, cos it was a signature thing... but I haven't tried to seriously run it in forever - nor seen anyone else use it.
The problem with the "People don't use this so we will remove it" line of thought is that it makes the game poorer if there's nothing in it's place. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I do think that if they merely remove the Sogarat Haris option from the game it will be in tremendous poor taste, especially given that similar units (Kriza and Yan Huo) can/will be able to Haris in the near future. It just feels... Odd that they would remove the haris from the Sog right as they give us a better way to use it with the Raktorak Wildcard. Really hoping this either is (another) fluke or that the Sog gets some sort of buff to compensate. I would love to see NWI on the sog, or even tactical sense, but on the lieutenant profile. Because as of now, the list almost isn't evening out: Pros: Mixed Vanguard team; Raktorak Wilcard; Cons: Loss of Bit? Loss of Sogarat Haris? Neutral change: Suryat Tactical sense (I place it as neutral because the profile is more expensive and can't be the lieutenant, so while it is an option, it's not an immediate buff); I think the pros outweigh the cons by a very small margin right now. Sure, the loss of the Sog Haris isn't a big deal, but the loss of Bit is. Of course, that's without seeing the full picture, so here's hoping we get something as exciting as the MO update soon.
Yan Huo is a weird one - because HRMC in a Haris breaks the unwritten burst 6 rule. So they're already likely to be loaded up with restrictions on what can be done. And Kriza get nothing from being in a link, really. Tunguska is a weird sectorial that looks like it offers alot but nobody seems to be able to make decent lists with...
I'm not saying these options are good. I'm just saying it's odd that they exist while a similar option gets scrapped. Even if very few players used the Sog Haris, removing it from the game just doesn't feel constructive, you know? Also, Kriza haris at least offers a bonus in the reactive turn, so the Kriza isn't as frail as they are reacting.
Pointing out/stressing again - Carlos specifically says in the video, "Kornak can be part of a Core Fireteam with up to 4 Suryats." Not a Core Fireteam or Haris Fireteam. Kornak Haris rule is dead. :P
Kriza Haris also gets them Deflector 1 from the Hollow Man. Personally I'm hoping that this means that Soggies are getting a significant profile revamp. We know there are changes that we haven't seen yet.
Now you're just speculating. I can see why they would remove the Haris option from Kornak (to force people to choose the Suryat haris model) but doing so would... Well, it would make Kornak a lot less attractive, really. And as of now, I'm pretty sure Kornak and his 3 monkey team see a lot of table use (in as much as MAF sees table use anyways). This type of change would really turn me off from the army. Like, they would have to do some tremendous, ridiculous buff to compensate for these nerfs, and I always got the impression that this update would be minor tweaks like Acon and MO got. So yeah, unless CB pulls out something amazing from their hat (which is a possibility, even if I think it's a small one), this update is starting to look like a mixed bag.
@DaRedOne I mostly agree with you but I'm highly doubtful that Yan Huo is getting haris. Or if it does it's going to be even more restricted than the Sogarat Haris was.
@Da Red One - not sure what MO changes you've been looking at, but they seem pretty significant to me :P certainly moreso than was shown for Morats.
Enitre new units (Dart and Tikbalang), Montessa full rework, Santiago Wildcard and significant profile changes, Hospie price reductions and link changes, further link changes for Order Sergeants, Father Knights, Teutons, Magisters.
