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The Right Tool for the Job

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Space Ranger, Feb 14, 2020.

  1. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    This is about having certain troops for certain missions. Some troops are just better than others the same as some armies are better than others. I think this can help with beginners trying to make lists and can apply to both Vanilla and Sectoral as well. Just ignore troops that don’t apply to you. Also, i'm only doing what I think is the best for the job. Almost any troop can do some things but this job is what they are made for.

    Note I'll be adding as I can and please remind me of anything I've forgotten.

    Edit: 2/17 Add spoilers as suggested by @Joametz to make it neat.

    Edit 2/18
    As short breakdown of the kind of missions.

    Take and Hold: Get to something, and keep the enemy away.
    Acquisition
    Capture and Protect
    Looting and Sabotaging
    Power Pack
    Show of Force
    Supplies
    Transmission Matrix​

    Dominate Zones: Have more points in the area than opponent.
    Frontline
    Quadrant Control
    Safe Area
    Supremacy
    The Armory​

    Kill more army points: Kill more points or specific targets than the opponent.
    Annihilation
    Biotechvore
    Firefight
    Hunting Party
    Unmasking​

    Special Objectives: Get a lot of things done with specialists.
    Countermeasures
    Highly Classified​

    Mission: Acquisition
    Added 2/14
    In this mission you need to take and hold a center tech-coffin objective (does not need to be a specialist), preferably with Data Tracker and/or Liaison Officer, and flip switches on two antennas on either side (Hacker and Engineer get +3) and keep them that way.

    *Good Data Tracker. # good Liaison Officer.

    Optimal troops: Midfield specialists, especially Engineer and Hackers.
    Daofei
    Kanren
    Guilang#
    Su Jian*
    Zhencha#
    Mowang*

    Sub-optimal: Good but not as good as the above. Some may be able to take, but not hold, etc.
    Daoying
    Hulang
    John Hawkood
    Lei Gong
    Liu Xing
    Ninja
    Sophotects
    Tai Sheng*#
    Tiger Soldier

    Support Troops: Not specialist but can help the above and can take the objective in a pinch. Any long-range fire support that can see the objective and keep the enemy away.
    Aida Swanson
    Liberto
    Haidao MSV2 or ENG
    Bao Sniper
    Hsien HMG
    Rui Shi

    Mission: Annihilation
    Added 2/14
    This mission is all about killing the enemy and keeping your own alive. No specialists needed for the mission, but a Doctor and Engineer are good for keeping troops up. Bonus for killing the enemy Data Tracker.

    This mission is the most subjective, meaning it’s what you think will be the best for you.

    *Good Data Tracker

    Optimal troops: I tend to think optimal troops are ones that can both take out the enemy and survive. Multi-wounds, high BS and/or CC.
    Crane
    Daofei
    Hac Tao
    Haidao (ENG)
    Hsien
    Major Lunah
    Mowang*
    Ninja
    Su Jian*
    Tai Sheng
    Wild Bill
    Wu Ming
    Zhanshi Yiseng
    Zuyong* (* the automedkit)

    Sub-optimal troops: Again, this is a bit subjective. I think of them as good Attackers OR Defenders but not both.
    Guijia*
    Husong
    Rui Shi
    Shaolin
    Sun Tze*
    Tiger Soldier
    Yan Huo

    Mission: Biotechvore
    Added 2/14
    This is like Annihilation+, kill as much as you can but you need to move out of the biotechvore zones or it can kill your own. Also, you need to complete classified objectives. Infiltrating must make a roll at -3 to place and Combat jumping troops are at a -3 on PH rolls. Remotes also suffer a bit more.
    Speed, High BTS and multiple wounds will be a great help. A variety of specialists are good too.

    Optimal troops:
    Crane
    Hac Tao
    Hsien
    John Hawkwood
    Mowang
    Qaing Gao
    Sophotech
    Su Jian
    Tai Sheng

    Sub-Optimal:
    Bao
    Dakini
    Lei Gong
    Liu Xing
    Lu Duan
    Rui Shi
    Shang Ji
    Sun Tze
    Webing

    Mission: Capture & Protect
    Added 2/17
    Essentially, capture the flag. Another mission that requires a good Attack to get the other teams beacon and Defend yours. There’s only one classified and no HVT used, so I don’t think having specialists are going to be important for other than if you want to keep things alive (Doc, Med, Eng), or to take Remotes (Hacker).

    # Possible Data Tracker (Not going to say good). Unfortunately camo troops in markers state can’t be it and Jump troops can’t. This is a case where you might want to “hand it off” to the Data Tracker after taking it with someone else.

    Attack: Speed, Infiltration, and Combat Jump are good things to have for this.

    Optimal troops:
    Daofei
    Garuda
    Guilang
    Hawkwood#
    Hulang#
    Kanren
    Lei Gong#
    Liu Xing
    Mowang#
    Ninja
    Sophotech#
    Su Jian#
    Tiger Soldier
    Wild Bill
    Zhencha

    Sub Optimal troops:
    Cube Jagger
    Dakini
    Husong
    Lu Duan
    Rui Shi
    Weibing

    Defense: Troops that have visual modifiers (give or take away), mines, madtraps and other things that make it difficult for the opponent to get to your beacon.

    Optimal troops:
    Bao
    Crane
    Daoying
    Hac Tao
    Hsien
    Husong
    Kanren
    Liberto
    Monstrucker
    Mowang
    Pheasant
    Xi Zhuang
    Yan Huo
    Zhanying

    Sub-optimal:
    Aida Swanson
    Authorized Bounty Hunter
    Celestial Guard
    Kuang Shi
    Wu Ming (with mines)
    Zhanshi

    Mission: Counter Measures
    Added 2/17
    Specialists. This one is about covering all contingencies. You don’t know what may come up with this but it’s mitigated a bit by being able to take a card out and re-draw. In Yu Jing there’s a few that are a few that can accomplish many of the missions that need to be done. This mission has an Exclusion Zone! No infiltrating or combat jumping into that zone. Speed and the ability to move around is going to help a little more than infiltrating or combat jumping but both still very useful.

    Note: Remember, characters count as Veterans.

    * Possible Data Trackers

    Optimum troops:
    John Hawkwood*
    Krit Kokram*
    Lei Gong
    Sophotech*
    Tai Sheng*
    Xi Zhuan
    Zhencha

    Sub-optimum troops:
    Daofei
    Daoying
    Giang Gao
    Hac Tao
    Hulang
    Liu Xing
    Ninja
    Tiger Soldier
    Weibing

    Mission: Decapitation
    Added 2/18
    Kill! Kill! Kill! Pretty much sums it up. Kill more pts., Lt., Designated Target, extra with your Datatracker. No specialists needed but I’d recommend a Doctor. This is a little less subjective than Annihilation due to having some specific targets. You want guys that can take out camo Lt. or good armor/multi-wound Lt.. MSV and Monofilament can be very useful. It’s unlikely that an opponent will be aggressive with their Lt. and will try to hide him away and defend it.

    This one I’m splitting up into Attackers, Defenders and Lt.

    *The Datatracker only needs to kill the Designated Target for extra points.

    Attackers: I like troops that start a bit closer to the opponent and may have camo of some sort.
    Daofei
    Garuda
    Hulang*
    John Hawkwood*
    Kanren
    Lei Gong*
    Liu Xing
    Mowang*
    Ninja
    Su Jian*
    Tiger Soldier
    Wu Ming Multi-Rifle & LGL*
    Zhencha

    Defenders: Mine layers, Madtraps are good for defending your Lt. but visors are also useful.
    Bao
    Daoying
    Husong
    Liberto
    Lu Duan
    Pheasant Agent
    Xi Zhuan
    Zhanying

    Lieutenant: Lets face it, Daoying is fantastic but there are still other good Lts.
    Optimal
    Crane Agent
    Daofei
    Daoying
    Hac Tao (after Executive Order)
    Hsien
    Mowang
    Sun Tze

    Sub-optimal
    Guijia
    Yan Huo
    Zhanying

    Mission: Firefight
    Added 2/18
    Another “Killy” mission. Kill more army points, Lts., Datatracker, and if you have time, find some fun stuff in the Panoplies. Then 2 classified objectives. This is pretty much a copy-paste of the Decapitation. The only real differences are that you don’t know the Lt., kill the Datatracker instead of target and a few panoplies that anyone can do. Note all Combat Jump troops get a +3 to PH due to the Landing Zone. Cumulative with an EVO remote or Hacking assist. Again, a Doctor or Engineer are probably good to take too keep troops alive but also for classifies.

    Again, this one I’m splitting up into Attackers, Defenders and Lt.

    *In this mission the Datatracker needs to be killed rather than doing the Killing.

    Attackers: I like troops that start a bit closer to the opponent and may have camo of some sort.
    Daofei
    Garuda
    Hulang*
    John Hawkwood*
    Kanren
    Lei Gong*
    Liu Xing
    Mowang*
    Ninja
    Su Jian*
    Tiger Soldier
    Wu Ming Multi-Rifle & LGL
    Zhencha

    Defenders: Mine layers, Madtraps are good for defending your Lt. but visors are also useful.
    Bao
    Daoying
    Husong
    Liberto
    Lu Duan
    Pheasant Agent
    Xi Zhuan
    Zhanying

    Lieutenant: This is one of the few times I’d consider the Automedkit Zuyong.
    Optimal
    Crane Agent
    Daofei
    Daoying
    Hac Tao (after Executive Order)
    Hsien
    Mowang
    Sun Tze

    Sub-optimal
    Guijia
    Zhanying
    Zuyong HMG with Automedkit.

    Mission: Frontline
    Added 2/19
    Move! Move! Move! Get into zones between the deployment areas and get more points the further away. There’s 1 classified objective.

    Again I’m splitting them in Attackers and Defenders but some might be in both!

    Attack: Infiltrators are fantastic for already being in scoring spots or taking a couple steps and being in another. Hidden deployment is even better. You can have troops stay hidden until the last turn and then show up for points. Drop troops are also fantastic for showing up at the last moment.
    Optimal
    Daofei
    Garuda
    Guilang
    Liu Xing
    Mowang
    Ninja
    Su-Jian
    Tiger Soldier
    Zhencha

    Sub-optimal
    Aida Swanson (Note: Shasvastii rule)
    Cube Jagger
    Daoying
    Hulang
    Husong
    John Hawkood
    Krakot
    Lei Gong
    Liberto
    Lu Duan
    Rui Shi

    Defending: For keeping troops away, mines, minelayers and madtraps are useful for delaying tactics in the mid-field. Note: if madtraps work on something, they still count for points!
    Optimal
    Guilang
    Kanren
    Liberto
    Mowang
    Sun Tze

    Sub-optimal
    Dakini
    Monstruckers
    Wu Ming
    Xi Zhuan
    Zhanying

    Support troops: Baggage bots especially are good for adding points to an area.
    Pangguling

    Mission: Highly Classified
    Added 2/19
    Nearly the same as County Measures. This one is about covering all contingencies. However there's less restrictions.

    Note: Remember, characters count as Veterans.

    Optimum troops:
    John Hawkwood
    Krit Kokram
    Lei Gong
    Sophotech
    Tai Sheng
    Xi Zhuan
    Zhencha

    Sub-optimum troops:
    Daofei
    Daoying
    Giang Gao
    Hac Tao
    Hulang
    Liu Xing
    Ninja
    Tiger Soldier
    Weibing

    Mission: Hunting Party
    Added 2/20/20
    In this mission you want to “hunt” down the Lt. (open info) and specialists. There are two Antennas to connect, that can only be done by a specialist, and two classified objectives. They are point each so you could gamble by not having specialists and try to get all of the other points.

    Note: Hunting means Isolate or Immobilized. NOT dead. Leave the shock ammo at home. Veterans, Elites, and HQ troops get a free ADHL. Everyone gets Stun ammo for their pistols. Multi weapons also get stun ammo. Stun doesn’t count for pts but it doesn’t accidently kill the target.

    Hunters: Obviously those that get an ADHL but also may start up the board or combat jump and MSV and X-Visor. Flash pulse is also good in a pinch.
    Optimal
    Daofei
    Hsien
    Hulang
    John Hawkwood
    Krit Kokram
    Lei Gong
    Liu Xing
    Pheasant Agent
    Tiger Soldiers
    Wild Bill
    Xi Zhuan
    Zhanying

    Sub-optimal
    Aida Swanson
    Authorized Bounty Hunters
    Crane Agent
    Hac Tao
    Kanren
    Kendrat
    Le Muet
    Miranda Ashcroft
    Mowang
    Sun Tze
    Tai Sheng
    Wu Ming

    Defenders: This would be your Lt. and those that can defend them pretty well. Minelayers, Madtraps, Sixth Sense etc. Also, Engineers that can get guys out of Isolated/Immobilized.
    Haidao
    Husong
    Krit Kokram
    Liberto
    Mech-Engineer
    Miranda Ashcroft
    Monstrucker
    Pheasant Agent
    Sophotech
    Zhanying

    Mission: Looting and Sabotage
    Added 2/20
    Get to the other side to destroy the AC unit in close combat using Anti-Material ammo. Protector your own. Hit some panoplies along the way. Acquire more items from the Panoplies.

    Note: When you use the panoplies, you can choose to take D-charges instead of what is rolled. It can also cancel the unloaded state (great for madtraps!)

    Attackers: anyone with anti-material CC weapons, D-Charges already on the profile, infiltrators, and combat jump.
    Optimal
    Daofei
    Guilang
    Haidao
    Hulang
    Liu Xing
    Ninja
    Sophotech
    Zhencha

    Sub-optimal
    Crane Agent
    Kakrot
    Kendrat
    Krit Kokram
    Mech-Engineer
    Monstruckers
    Shaolin
    Zhanying

    Defend: Anyone that can keep the enemy away from your own AC.
    Aida Swanson
    Guilang
    Hac Tao
    Husong
    Kanren
    Liberto
    Pheasant Agent
    Xi Zhuan
    Zhanying

    Mission: Supremacy
    Edited 2/18
    Take and control quarters, (gain +2 objective points at the end of the turn) and hack consoles for a point each. I've split them by Attacking and Defending troops.

    Optimal troops:

    Attack: Midfield specialists, especially Hackers (Get a +3 to hack consoles). Troops that can get to the far quarters late in the round or in the game.
    Cube Jager
    Daofei
    Garuda
    Guilang
    Kanren
    Liu Xing
    Mowang
    Su Jian
    Tiger Soldiers
    Zhencha

    Defend: Troops that are really good at holding a position.
    Dakini
    Hac Tao
    Haidao
    Husong
    Mowang
    Sun Tzu
    Xi Zhuang
    Yan Huo

    Sub-optimal: Good but not as good as the above. Some may be able to take, but not hold.
    Attack:
    Dakini
    Daoying
    Hulang
    Ninja

    Defend:
    Bao
    Pheasant
    Tai Sheng
    Zhanying

    Support troops: Able to take areas by weight of numbers or add points to an area.
    Pangguling
    Shaolin
    Kuang Shi
    Zhanshi
    Celestial Guard
     
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  2. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    Good stuff, this is a handy checklist to compare against before committing to an army list.

    For Acquisition, I suppose you refer to the hacker loadout of Daofei? Or do you pick him mostly for his staying power?
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. i was hoping for that.

    Both for the most part. It depends on you but I like the AHD for pushing the buttons but the Spitfire is excellent for taking and holding the center.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Could you explain your reasoning behind marking camouflage models as good Datatrackers? As for the Zuyong Automedikit, I don't trust nor like 60% do-or-lose single dice rolls :(

    Remember that Daoying tends to anchor one of your home zones by virtue of being a MI with camo in this season, thanks to free FD1. Something similar is also going on with a Su-Jian, since at 54+ and a strong ability to get into a position your opponent simply can't attack, the Su-Jian is very good at "defending" quarters simply by virtue of weight of points.
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I also said OR Liaison Officer. Personally, i wouldn't use a Camo troop for Data Tracker. Some may feel that's it's an ok trade off. However I did forget that the Liaison Officer needs to be an FO. So I took that off the Daofei. I separated them out a bit more with *DT #LO.

    Which mission are you talking about? Daoying is fantastic for many reasons. It's great for already being in a good scoring position but camo makes it even better.

    Added Su Jian to Acquisition. He's fantastic for getting to a spot and really good at holding it.
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    1st paragraph: Right, sorry, seems the first time I read it you only had camo troops marked is all :)
    2nd paragraph: Basically anything with control quarters, Supremacy in this case where you've it marked as sub-optimal. Not that I'd take full AVA unless I wanna play 9-camo IA... but those missions are good candidates to place the Daoying LT unusually aggressively as a "defensive" measure. I do note that the Daoying BSG is a lot better than say.. Zhanying in the same price range at playing defensive. Been meaning to test that one as a defensive piece for staving off DZ aggression, but haven't got around to playing IA of late.
     
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    Thank you for this. As a new player this really helps a lot!
     
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    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    By the by, Husong are brilliant in Biotechvore! They're strong enough to stick their heads out in ARO and tend to cost your opponent a bunch of orders which can be absolutely deadly in BTV. It does increase your CT expenditure in turn 1, as you really don't want them taking DT hits, but particularly if playing IA you should be able to bring 3 of them and have plenty of orders to move the Core out of the zone as well as plonking off ARO pieces while doing so.

    Also, an old wisdom for BTV was that Sun Tze is excellent for this mission. He's got very high BTS, adds his LT order to the pool, and gives you an extra command token to move stuff out. Since he's got effectively 3 wounds, he can tank the zone for two turns even if your dice hates your guts.
     
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    This is a good topic, but I think it should be organised with one thread per mission. This allows for a more focused discussion and example lists.
    As for Aquisition, I'd highly recommend to put SunTze on the list. The most durable Datatracker in the game imho.
     
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    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    I have a proposal for the organization of the thread: why not use spoilers for each mission?

    This! It helps keep posts neat and tidy

    I have some thoughts regarding the troops themselves, if you're listening to suggestions:

    I believe cost-effective killers are superb here. Rui Shi, Libertos and Tigers have worked wonders for me in the past, and I think they're optimal. I would also recommend the inclusion of a medic, since any troop that is not in a Null state (or Dead) at the end of the game will help balance the points in your favor.

    The Daoying is amazing here, since it deploys inside a quadrant and you can take a hacking profile. Also, I believe the inclusion of a Ninja is almost mandatory if you can take it, particulary the KHD profile.

    Good thread, m8!

    Edit: grammar.
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    1st: I did but I edited it due your comments. I wasn't clear on difference between Data Tracker and Liaison Officer.
    2nd: It's all a bit subjective but Sub-optimal is not "bad". It can still be very good.

    I wanted this threat to be very high level. Not getting into the nitty gritty of each mission. It's a general overview for beginners.

    I'll try the spoiler thing. I haven't done it in a while.

    Annihilation is one of the most subjective missions for list building. Some things are fantastic by themselves and some may need teamwork.

    Sub-optimal is not "bad" it's still very good. I'll put the Ninja in there but sub optimal because i've found MSV2 and better KHD can ruin his day pretty well. I feel the only thing it has going for him is he's cheap.
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I've added a few more.

    I'm surprised how many times Hawkwood has made it into lists. He's really good compared to other troops in the same price range.
     
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    Good idea, this may be helpful even for more experienced players - scan over the suggestions and find a almost forgotten unit here and there ;-)

    At Supremacy something is missing:


    Haidaos main role is defending here, at best in a link, but even in vanilla he could be a resilent ARO piece that can still hold a zone. Not overstrech him, he need to dive to cover as soon as he is in NWI, heal him back with CTs in the backhand.
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure I have and that's what I've got you for! lol

    I added the Haidao. I agree on this a lot. Especially the Engineer is good keeping your remotes up and going.

    I added Firefight too.
     
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    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Added in Hunting Party and Looting and Sabotage.