I used to use a Friar for close defense of my Squalo against Smoke. There's usually not enough points left in the list for an Aquila if you're bringing a TAG, and several factions can easily outgun NCA's reactive turn now while still bringing worthwhile Warbands to threaten the Squalo with.
Tried it last time I played, the duo with the Squalo is pretty astonishing, having free orders to move up alongside the shooting squalo NCO and then using an order or two to throw down drop bears does feel pretty good.
Alright, I'll be the first to talk about NCA and the new fireteam rules. To me, it seems NCA got straight up nerfed. The thing that made it exciting again in N4 (Core team with Bolt MSR, Machinist NCA, Aquila, Bulleteer + Wildcard of your choice (Shona, 2nd Bulleteer etc.) now walks around with 2BS less. And as far as I can see, NCA didn't get anything that made it more exciting elsewhere. Sure, you can put four Bolts and a Machinist together now for a discover +3 bonus, but that doesn't sound too exciting tbh. Also can't see any other wild new combos. Thoughts?
I played pure bolts fireteam and I think their BS 19 at optimal ranges is quite the effective fireteam, yes only MSR has MSV 1 but she usually is the one who actively engages anyway. overall some flexibility has been given, for example you can have a Fusilier haris with a HRL black Friar, but the big BS 19 and 20 (or 21 in Aquilas case) core fireteam BS has been nerfed from all sectorials. Sonersen is a much needed forward deployment camouflage the list never had and Aida brings a minelayer it again never had as an option.
Did it need the nerf though? It's not like NCA was a particularly oppressive sectorial before, certainly not compared to the power of vanilla lists, which just got even more powerful with the new Duos. Sørensen and Aida don't make the difference.
In general, I think the lowering of the top BS fireteams by two points in all relevant sectorials is a good thing, I do not think that the cheap units that boosted a single model to 19-21 BS was healthy.
A lot of armies will now have to reevaluate their favourite fireteams and the way the sectorials are played. It's not as much nerf, as a move sideways. The ability to form a cheap support Haris around line infantry will by itself open up a lot of possibilities. Uma is much more playable now, too, and will strenghten the midfield play for her sectorials. But otherwise playing PanO means getting used to not having designers passionate about your faction.
Well thank Moses they can't seem to keep a unit to one damn faction anymore. Notice that both updated Characters also belong to recently-pushed factions, and that the infamous Bolt Sniper MSV1 came with Foreign Company? In less bitter news, while the Wildcard Cores got nerfed, NCA's Haris options are stronger than ever and a lot of opponents are going to be shooting back with 2 less BS than they used to, as well as MSV being marginally less common due to a few penalised Fireteams. That's good news for the likes of the Hexa, Swiss Guard or even Bulleteers/Locusts in Suppressive Fire.
I couldn't have said better. It is sad, but Pano is now so plain that it will be for sure a challenge with a lot of fun to "make it more spicy". Lowering the strength of ARO as a general it will be a good thing for the "faction for shooting", but as much as Pano can be favored by this, we will suffer more too in ARO time, because Pano relay too much in shooting to defend itself. Still, I believe some changes can be positives, we have to find how to do ARO now going beyond the "active ARO" and reach a place where Pano isn't too confy.
Has anyone played with the new NCA Machinist, Spitfire Bulleteer, and H. Shotgun Bulleteer? For a total of 56 points, it feels a pretty self reliant Haris with the ability to shoot and do objectives.
Hopefully not as it would be illegal, Bolts are minimum 1 in a Bolts Fireteam so your minimum is Bolt+Machinist+Bulleteer
I would challenge that NCA got a nerf. Let alone Bolts. The Aquila brings so much more to a Haris than a 5 man core now anyway. 5 man Bolt Core is Sniper, Paramedic, Hacker, Machinist and a flex Bolt like a Spitfire or Uma to taste. If anything the Bolt’s provide you so much more capability through having a Solid anchor for which the rest of the force can bounce around with. If you go into LoL the group with the Bolt core still has 5 regular orders to be rolling around and doesn’t ruin your entire turn. The Pure core with a Bolt Sniper has lost no capability and now rises to the top of links. BS19. Fusilier Harris’s give the Aquila a cheap team to run around with. For example Aquila FTO, Fusilier FO and Bipandra. 85 pts or so, you can even cheapen that link down some more with just taking a Fusilier Paramedic brings it down to about 75pts. Surely a BS15 B4 Gunfighter should be sufficient. Hell I’d say I’d probably take an Uhlan over that Haris anyway especially if I’m taking to shoot things as opposed to push buttons. Since once I kill everything with the Uhlan the Bolt Core can just waltz over to whatever objective I need pushing.
This is my current NCA list, but of course 'mission is everything yad yada'! :D https://imgur.com/reYGhys
There’s always gonna be things where personal play style and meta will adjust. So I aim to provide workable options as opposed to definitive “good” lists. I’ll provide what I use and list what issues I have had with it so that you’re able to mitigate against it. Though that being said List Number 1 is the one I’ve had fair success with. List 1. Swiss Hacker and a Bolt Core with Support aBluZW90ZXJyYW4tY2FwaXRhbGluZS1hcm15KUJvbHRzIGFuZCBTd2lzcyBIYWNrZXJzIGFuZCBNaXNzaWxlcyBWMi4wgSwCAQoBCQEEAAIEAQoAAwQBBwAEBAEJAAWF0wECAAYPAQQABxYBAwAIEwEBAAkTAQEACiQBAQACBQEmAQIAAhIBAQADJgEBAAQTAQEABSQBAQA= So this list lets you bounce off an Overt Direct threat coupled list depending upon your opposition. Key components of the list - EVO hacker applies Fairy Dust on the Swiss when he goes on the advance, or can apply various other boosts to the REMs such as the Clipper or Peacemakers. The Bolt Core has two gunfighters - Uma and the Sniper, being a pure core will still get +1 BS if the Hacker jumps out of the link to stage dive something. It deals with TAGs through application of both Hacking and Direct fire being a Clipper or Uma’s Breaker. List 2/3. All Along the WatchTowers Aquila HMG. aBluZW90ZXJyYW4tY2FwaXRhbGluZS1hcm15HkFsbCBhbG9uZyB0aGUgd2F0Y2h0b3dlcnMgdjIuMIEsAgEKAQQBCgACBAEDAAMEAQcABAQBCQAFDwEEAAYIAQMAB4XTAQEACCQBAQAJEwEBAAoTAQEAAgUBhIgBAgACFgEDAAMmAQIABBMBAQAFg6cBAgA= Squalo version. aBluZW90ZXJyYW4tY2FwaXRhbGluZS1hcm15GUFsbCBhbG9uZyB0aGUgd2F0Y2h0b3dlcnOBLAIBCgEEAQQAAgQBCgADBAEHAAQEAQkABQ8BBAAGCAEDAAeF0wEBAAiEiAECAAkWAQEACoOnAQIAAgUBFgEDAAIkAQEAAxMBAQAEEwEBAAUyAQEA Both of these lists leverage Uma (Camo), Aida and a Peacemaker to provide options for a reserve drop to give the Squalo or Aquila breathing space or let’s the FD units draw out AROs for the Squalo or Aquila to then prosecute. I’ll be honest haven’t had an opportunity to use either yet. But it is based off a similar list for other factions. 3. Something to flex with aBluZW90ZXJyYW4tY2FwaXRhbGluZS1hcm15DERvdWJsZSBVaGxhboEsAgEKASABAQACAQEFAAMBAQYABAEBCQAFAQEKAAYBAQEABxMBAQAIEwEBAAkPAQQACiUBAQACBAEgAQEAAhMBAQADJgECAASDpwECAA== Double Uhlan. Enough said. I’m not sure just yet as to whether I want an EVO hacker for Fairy dust or not. So issues I’ve had with some of these lists - Lack of MSV. Realistically there’s only 3 unit options with MSV - The Bolt Sniper, Aquila, and Black Friar. Quinn is there too and I have been playing around with lists where he’s there in G2 as a little Haris with some Fusiliers to capitalise on any gaps the G1 makes. But outside of that MSV is extremely limited. Needing to go first. I’m finding that these lists and NCA in general typically needs to go first to be able to leverage the open battlefield in the event someone Null deploys so they can advance, allowing them to kick in the teeth of any AROs left out. The ARO pieces like ORC FB’s are not a solid anchor. The standard pie slicing a core out of existence through targeting the Fusilier support and then clipping the ORC FB down since he’s now in a 3 man with Smoke Shooting forces you into taking that Bolt Sniper for ARO.
Huh, that Squalo list isn’t showing a Squalo when I paste it into Army Mobile - still has the Aquila and a Bolt ML? Interesting stuff, tho, want to try out some similar things at the very least.
Apologies didn't realise that. I was between tasks at the time and may have pasted thinking that I had still copied the list. Please see below for the correct version All along the watchtowers v2.0 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 BOLT Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 26) BOLT (Multispectral Visor L1) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 31) BOLT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27) BOLT (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) MACHINIST NCA (Bioimmunity, Veteran) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16) UMA SØRENSEN (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage, Forward Deployment [+8"]) Submachine Gun(+1B), E/M Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30) AÏDA SWANSON FTO (Minelayer) Submachine Gun, Viral Mines / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 20) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) SQUALO MULTI Heavy Machine Gun / CC Weapon, MULTI Pistol. (1.5 | 75) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / CC Weapon. (0 | 0) GROUP 2 3 1 AUXILIA (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 14) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army You can swap out the Missile Launcher for a cheaper profile to get an additional Order All along the watchtowers v2.0 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 BOLT (Multispectral Visor L1) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 31) BOLT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27) BOLT Boarding Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22) BOLT (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) MACHINIST NCA (Bioimmunity, Veteran) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) SQUALO MULTI Heavy Machine Gun / CC Weapon, MULTI Pistol. (1.5 | 75) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / CC Weapon. (0 | 0) AUXILIA (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 14) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) AÏDA SWANSON FTO (Minelayer) Submachine Gun, Viral Mines / Viral Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 20) GROUP 2 4 UMA SØRENSEN (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage, Forward Deployment [+8"]) Submachine Gun(+1B), E/M Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 4 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
I took NCA to a small 4 man tournament. 3 games, Panic room, Cryogenics, and a custom mission. These are my two lists. Neo Terra ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SWISS GUARD Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (1.5 | 63) BOLT (Multispectral Visor L1) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 31) BOLT (Paramedic) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24) BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 27) BOLT (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28) MACHINIST NCA (Bioimmunity, Veteran) Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 16) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) AUXILIA (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 14) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 20) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 4) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) GROUP 2 5 CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11) FUSILIER Heavy Machine Gun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 18) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army And then for the second list. Neo Tag ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 7 2 SQUALO (Lieutenant) MULTI Heavy Machine Gun / MULTI Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 75) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / CC Weapon. (0 | 0) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 15) FUSILIER (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) TECH-BEE (Specialist Operative, Deactivator) Flash Pulse ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 5) GROUP 2 6 2 PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3) MULEBOT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 15) UHLAN Heavy Machine Gun, Feuerbach(+1B) / AP CC Weapon. (1.5 | 88) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / CC Weapon. (0 | 0) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 5.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army I went 1-2. When it came to killing my opponents I did great. One of my loses I tabled everything but a flash bot. I just struggled with objectives. The only game I won was panic room. I took the double tag list and locked down that room. My order efficiency was crazy and I had 20 orders on my first turn due to the evo bot giving me an extra order. (Plus my LT order but I didn't use it first turn)
That Haris doesn't sound legal to me. Bulleteers are Wildcards, and the Machinist can only be taken in a Bolt team with at least one Bolt.
