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The future of Yu Jing

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Greysturm, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    So simple that's it obvious without explanation. ;)
     
  2. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    Man this feel when all this t2 and even some more k1 just hit the market right before our HI sectorial
     
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  3. Maksimas

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    They fear the arrival of the Invincibles.
    They fear the legions clad in power armor.
     
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  4. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    With Nomads and Ariadna in my meta (all the damn glue and EM), I go without a doctor before I leave the engineer at home!
     
  5. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention all the E/M
     
  6. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much. The fact that the Engineer can deal with both the Unc and IMM/ ISO is a huge boon.

    Personally I don't think a core linkable 6-x Mov S2 STR1 HI is anything to sniff at.
     
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  7. Maksimas

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    It is very sniffable at once people start using terrain zones and playing missions that mandate use of terrain zones.
    I've already seen a case of a Hollow Men link slow to a 2'' crawl at a tournament once, since the mission played ( It was that missions that had you try to extract 4 civilians from the enemies half of the table, don't remember the mission name ATM. ) had an exclusion zone that doubled as a Difficult Terrain zone...

    EDIT: This is very much so a local meta dependant thing though. Local tourneys here often feature terrain zones, so it's prolly a lot more relevant to me than it would be to someone else who plays with no terrain zones.
     
  8. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Don't take Active non-Multiterrain Move X-2 troops in Rescue. It is known.

    I also dislike full table terrain zones. I think 1/3 regular, 2/3 terrain zone is probably good on "heavy terrain zone tables".

    However, your point kinda misses the mark. The initial argument was that a 1STR HI was undesirable. The position that "in some conditions even 2STR HI are bad" doesn't refute my counterpoint that "actually 1STR HI with similar stats as Hollowmen for ~20pts would be absolutely playable".

    The other point to note is 6-x can easily be 6-4.
     
  9. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    There are a decent number of 6-4 troops, but they're almost all LHost bodies (the ones that aren't are straight up robots or TAGs).

    6-2 or 6-4 would really fix the Shikami, as well.
     
  10. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Dakini and Hollowmen are the closest model types. Which is why I think 6-X for the Move.

    I'd be thinking something like:

    Move: 6-4 CC: 10 BS: 12 PH: 10 WIP:13 ARM: 3 BTS: 6 STR:1 SIL:2 AVA: 5
    G:RP, Total Immunity

    Combi, [DTW], Pistol, Knife ~19pts*

    Basically, a refining of Karakuri into a mass production model. Conceptually they'd fill an MI Core Link slot and be link filler for Shang-Ji.

    Coupled with a HI Engineer of whatever description they'd be extremely robust.

    * 20pts is Karakuri -FO, -DEP, -Dogged, BS13-12, -1STR. If I instead do Hollowmen BS13-12, ARM4-3, -Superjump, -Religious, +TI then they're closer to 17 or 18pts. But you end up somewhere around Wildcat points for slightly worse BS / CC EM and Hacking vulnerability but significantly increased survivability.
     
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  11. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Why HI, though? Would it not make sense to simply give it Hackable?
     
  12. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Making it HI is the way to give something Hackable and vulnerable to EM without the other REM advantages / disadvantages. I'm also fairly certain that HI and REM have different costs / base profiles.

    It also means that it can do the HI classified.

    BTW I think I'm probably wrong. I just think that the concept would work, would fit and would be solidly decent.
     
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  13. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Mmm, possibly, though I do think that an extra wound is also part of the package, and I'm having a bit of a problem conceptualizing why Yu Jing would opt to make a light infantry replacer - essentially an agile REM - without adding some armour to protect their investment given their speciality in heavy infantry. I mean, it sounds like an Aleph creation and it also sounds like an Agile special skill on an actual REM would fit the bill better.

    A Yu Jing take on it would make more sense if, say, Shang-Ji turned up 2 STR, Ghost: Remote Presence, and 6-4 movement.
     
  14. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    ARM3 Total Immunity is "a bit of armour". ;)

    As an "upgrade" to weak fleshly humans, it seems cool to me.
     
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  15. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but it's missing the stuff that defines modern heavy infantry in-verse.
     
  16. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I want to sell you a 4-4 Move MI.

    There's no 'stuff that defines' that isn't in the rules.

    What defines HI is:
    It can be hacked
    It is made IMM-2 and ISO by EM
    It isn't a REM
     
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  17. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    And that it's got 2 wounds. Ancient HI have 1 wound.
     
  18. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I don't see that in the rules anywhere.

    It's much like the defining feature of MI is 4-2 Move.
     
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  19. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    I don't think that we'll see a more bargain basement HI than the Zuyongs. But that's fine, too. What I do suspect is that REMs will be mixed into teams to get the cost down.
     
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  20. paraelix

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    So the South Africa Comic Con video saw Carlos confirm Invincibles were getting;
    Guija as their sole TAG option
    Zhanshi as cheap LI
    NCO as a rule to help make up orders

    While touching on NCO, he also talked about having multiple mechanics to ensure they were competitive (for orders) when running full Heavy Infantry. I would not be surprised to see them get a Lt L2 option. Would an upgraded Sun Tse profile be in the cards? Or has there been something previously indicating he would *not* be in the sectorial?