Yes and no. Here you are assuming that Tunguska may be using brains as pure wetware instead of hardware, and loading software onto it instead of normal software that would be created during normal development of the child. If this is possible is very debatable, and even if it is, it is debatable how ethical it is. However we can skip that debate we know this is not the case. The lore is clear Hollowmen have "rich and fulfilling" lives outside their slave job, which pretty much tells us they've matured into conscious humans. Otherwise a full VR focus would not be needed. You are completely incorrect on both these accounts. Neither torture nor indoctrination requires a that person is cognizant or somehow not a blank slate, even if we agree that a baby is as blank slate as you require (I think you are taking the blank slate to be far more blank that it is usually used as). Also, a large part of my point isn't the fact indoctrination takes place - any child is automatically indoctrinated into the culture it is raised - but rather, what is the format and aim of this indoctrination. Oh, and just so that it doesn't fall in the cracks, there is no proof all Tunguska uses is positive reinforcement, nor is it somehow extractable from context. In fact, given what they are doing, there is absolutely no reason to suppose they would shy away from any technique whatsoever. Sorry, but not in the mood for fanfiction at the moment. :) Especially not one so far removed from any known lore. :D Again, don't know where you got that I expect the child to have any kind of ethical codes. That's not the point at all. The point is where they end up, not where they started. I was talking about your specific example, not generally comparing it to raising dogs... Lets just drop this side discussion. Yes, this I can agree on.