The Bolts

a scoring link, leaving space in bolts not to take the Hacker or Paramedic

 

I'd be a lot more receptive to Bolts if they'd gotten the Kamau treatment of being elite Light Infantry. Even with their pricepoint, even with their current drawbacks, I'd just be happier trying to leverage all those short-range weapon options if they were 4-4.

 

I dont think that making them +2 pts on each profile even for 4-4 MOV would help the issue ;/

 

Yeah, it's just such a bad combination.

CQB focused slow units with no deployment advantages are ALWAYS going to be a hard sell. Combine that with their, less than optimised, profile and you have a unit basically nobody wants to run.

There are some armies (Haqq and Tohaa) and some missions (Hunting Party and Biotechvore) where they can be solid choices because their situational bonuses are actually going to come up. But that's niche, super niche, and too niche for them to ever hit a tournament table.

 

shrug, Ive seen what a B5 BS16 weapon can do in active, and what BS20+ B2 Shotguns can do in ARO.

I'll run em as soon as I've painted em.

 

The BSG is a really nice profile, it goes well with the spitfire (it's just a shame that despite Bolts getting more models than any other profile in the entire Infinity range, nine, that one isn't there).
I've considered, but never got round to running, playing with a 3-man fireteam of Bolts, backed by a Swiss HMG and maybe a Bulleteer. I grab the burst bonus and just leverage the BS13 rather than BS16 and let the Swiss kill anything that looks scary enough to challenge the Bolts.

 

If anything, the only thing the new buffs to the CSU's have shown us is just how overcosted the combi rifle is and the combi rifle + shotgun is even worse.

CSU: Combi Rifle + Nanopulser = 12 points
CSU: Rifle + LSG + Specialist = 12 points

Like... It's objectively wrong to take the combi rifle CSU profile at this point. There's no way that profile is justified anymore, this is made even worse when you consider the fact that the Bolts have Combi Rifles in addition to the LSG, which also gives a partial explanation of why the Bolts simply costs way too much for what they bring.

 

The Bolts for any other unit?

 

dang! registered just to personally deliver this burn!

 

I'd ditch the vanilla Bolt Combi+LSG and replace it with a second Boarding Shotgun.

Then I'd swap out the Hexa Spitfire for a Hexa KHD and use the points and SWC to upgrade the Bolt Drop Bears to a Bolt Sniper Rifle.

This leaves you with 5pts over, which you can use to buy a Tech Bee, or you can ditch a PalBot and upgrade your Bulleteer to a Spitfire.

Neoterran Capitaline Army
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GROUP 1 10
BOLT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
BOLT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
BOLT Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
BOLT Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
HEXA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 32)
HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27)
LOCUST Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Breaker Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Shock CCW, Knife. (0.5 | 38)
AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
GROUP 2 3 1
MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
PEACEMAKER Heavy Shotgun + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
BULLETEER Heavy Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
5 SWC | 300 Points
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Sort of, I was active on the old forum but haven't really been gaming for a while so I've been reading the forum off and on, made an account a while ago but never posted.

 

This thread has given me some inspiration to give the following a go (sorry I cannot link directly from Infinity Army at work.)

Group 1
Bolt (CR+LS)
Bolt (Spitfire)
Bolt (ML+LS)
Bolt (BSG)
Bolt (BSG)
HEXA Hacker (KHD)
HEXA (MSR)
Bulleteer (Spitfire)
Locust Hacker (AHD)

Group 2
Auxilia (FO)
Trauma-Doc
Machinist
CSU (Specialist Op: Rifle + LS)
CSU (Specialist Op: Rifle + LS)

 

I like it, but I'd put the Hidden Deployment into Group 2.

 

Guys... we have been overthinking this. It's not about getting bolts to work. It's about creating the appropriate theme!

BEHOLD! Template madness!

Tempting Template Tempest
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GROUP 1 10
BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
BOLT Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27)
BOLT Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
DEVA Lieutenant (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
SWISS GUARD Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 69)
BIPANDRA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
GARUDA Tacbot Boarding Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)

GROUP 2 2
CSU Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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I like this, but I'm tempted to downgrade the Drop Bear Bolt to regular just for a Palbot.

My point about CSU was, as mentioned, an additional link that packs two specialists for less than a single KHD Hexa (keeping in mind that Bolts tend to be expensive). But after giving it more thought it doesn't really solve Bolt's problem. Though still it's an anti-Haqq/Tohaa option.[/QUOTE]

 

edit: Nothing to see

 

OK,

So ive spent the last few days contemplating Bolts.

Not the least because of Securiate, but also because im painting them, and I sorta came to an idea, an idea I think is worth investigating.
Now Ive tried a few lists and shared them with @deltakilo , who rightly has pointed out that every list ive written would be better with fusiliers instead of bolts....

which kinda got turned in my mind a little....Whats the ONE list that you arent going to just sub out Bolts for Fusiliers?

The one where you CANT sub bolts out for fusiliers, because you only have AVA5 Fusiliers, and you've probably maxed them.

So I stole an idea from my CHA reactive lists that works really well, where you have a reactive link, and an active link in the same combat group, flipping to whatever link you need at that point in the game (Reactive and Active and back and forth if required) I know most people will automatically assume that you will run out of command tokens, but without a TAG to de-posses, and with a reasonable WIP Doc (13), and combat groups that dont care too much about shedding orders, it works and works well in my experience.


Which lead my to come up with the following idea in NCA, one that probably needs testing and refinement, but really might be a place for Bolts to shine.

Neoterran Capitaline Army
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GROUP 1 10
FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
BOLT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
BOLT Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
GROUP 25
BIPANDRA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
HEXA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 32)
HEXA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 32)
AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
6 SWC | 299 Points
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Its not refined, but its definitely on my list of things to try as soon as my Bolts get painted

 

First change, Drop BP to a Tdoc, Grab Mulebot, Dropbears+B2+Baggage.

 

I've done similar things with modest success (in friendly games...) although I can usually only justify 3 bolts as the alternative 'aggressive' team. It will be interesting to hear how your 5 + 5 works out.