The Assassination of Ariadna by Corvus Belli

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by Weathercock, Dec 17, 2024.

  1. burlesford

    burlesford Sheet guy

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    Hey @Tanan, honest question: Do people enjoy playing against you?
     
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  2. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    Some random thoughts after some games:
    Ariadna has no safety net or you melee with no guarantees or you go shooting face to face against superior troops. If any of those two fail you are done, there is not much you can afford to do to mitigate the dice, more often than not you have no second chances.
    You often have less orders, less tech and less wounds on the table.
    The vistrel and the scout e/m are your only precarious tools on the reactive turn, it's not enough.
    The vistrel is a very cool profile but it folds agains most spearheads in most games, some times it's just better to not take it.
    Why no vistrel autocannon without neurocinetics like the ssniper? It's not going to be great but could be quite fun to play with.
    The scout has been always cool but it's too expensive and the powercreep makes it look terrible compared to other profiles in the game. One single E/M mine helps but will not save you in the reactive turns.
    I miss usarf troops in vanilla, there is too much tak in vanilla. I would like to see blackjacks, mavericks and more foxtrots instead of ratniks, dynamos and streloks.
    Vanilla can do everything tak does but better, because the extra ava in tak is not particularly great for proper lists.
    Knauf being the best vanilla can do is humiliating, boring and not thematic. Mercenaries should be sidegrades not the star of the show.
    Tank hunters with big guns should NOT have mines. Advanced deployment could help tank hunters, like in n3.
    I'm happy with the bear nerf, I just don't like the design of the troop in theme and on the table.
    Rear deployment mirage is bad game design, just not enjoyable at all to use.
    Other troops with rear deployment are too strong and just outclass van zant.
    Not being able to play 8&8 lists or 10 limited insertion without loosing orders (when you can't have the crazy 10+ orders other factions have) is a huge loss of gameplay variety.
    The rule updates are welcome and in the right direction, but not enough so far.
    Ariadna melee is not great in n5
    Speedball should be optional and not aimed for competitive play. It's just not the same value for cheap units compared to super expensive ones.
    We have started to play some games with fire burning mimetism and without speedball. It's not enough to solve the situation but the game becomes more enjoyable.
     
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  3. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    How many years have passed “in game” since the start? I would think, after the re-discovery of Ariadna, they would have traded with the rest of the Human Sphere and gained some high-tech weapons and equipment.
     
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  4. saint

    saint Charming, but irrational

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    I think it's only been about 20 years max but probably less. The issue is that Ariadna and I think O-12 are purposely limiting imports to items that they can reproduce domestically so that they don't become dependent on foreign suppliers. And building up the manufacturing base takes time, especially in such an unstable planet.
     
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  5. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    That makes sense for non-fighting equipment but I can't see that happening with weapons and other fighting gear. Ariadana is going to want the best they can get for fighting. They would the use the Antipodes as an excuse as well. Fighting Antipodes means you need sensors, MSV, at the very least. Then there was the CA threat. They are far more advanced than anyone and they need the tech to fight them.
     
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  6. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Absolutely untrue. This forum had a great rep and lots of constructive communication back in N2 and N3. Aggressive, insulting posters who negged the company as well as other users killed it in N4, and you're providing a great example of exactly that behavior right here.

    Need I point out that your attacks and negativity are the major problem, not CB's products or forum support (other than their unwillingness to ban negative, aggressive posters who insult them and other users constantly)?

    Because everyone reading this will probably see the irony here, even if you may not.

    @Koni and @psychoticstorm why are this sort of aggression, negativity, and attacks on the company allowed on this forum?

    Many of us who used the forum a lot in the past would love to return here to have a more-permanent place to post things related to Infinity, but this specific poster, who has been temporarily banned repeatedly, is still here making the place awful. He just chimed in to say "stop trying to turn the conversation positive, this place sucks."

    I wasn't doing that about @Tanan 's post, I was pointing out that WAAC play exploiting broken profiles makes for unpleasant games, and the company re-balancing units and the game is a better approach.

    However your own post is definitely trolling. And it's not working. All you're doing is defeating your own arguments.

    It sucks to see you try to hijack this thread into personal attacks. But it's kinda fun to watch you self-own, displaying exactly the toxicity that drives people away while claiming it's everyone else's fault.
     
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  7. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    That was the old forum, and when Spanish and English forums were 2 different ones, but the migration to the actual one and the problems to make an account in the first weeks in the new one made people to simply abandon. Now the forums are basically useless, since everything is announced before in the unnoficial Discord server than here and not all the info dumped there end arriving to the official forums. Sincerely, the company could shut down the forums and nothing will be lost

    We started in N1 with "175 years into the future, humanity have reach the stars", now i think we are officially on 180
     
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  8. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    You are correct, but in the setting it is an active decision of STAVKA, supported by O-12, to limit the import of tech to avoid PanO and YJ undermining Arianna’s independence.
     
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  9. saint

    saint Charming, but irrational

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    Arguably it's more important for fighting equipment, because if parts are scarce and the only way to get them is to wait for a shipment from Bourak or Shentang and you need it now? Not the best position to be in, especially when allies are always uncertain.
    Arguably Ariadna low tech has saved them from some of the worst of the EI's power, though that argument is probably a washat best if I'm honest.
     
  10. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    I certainly didn't experience that, and used the new forum a lot while in Europe. I think I met and played against you actually thanks to it, at the EIC on Mallorca in 2017 iirc?. I found and attended that event and others thanks to this forum, and corresponded with people a lot on here. Also had a lot of good conversations about tactics and modeling, and learned to play the game a lot better thanks to this forum.

    Discord just can't do permanent, subject-based threads as well as a straight-up forum IMO. From tactics to event discussion, pics, etc., this forum would still be useful if the moderation and rude posters problems could be addressed.

    You're right that account issues and support do seem to be an issue which could use more attention, alongside moderation to deal with aggressive and insulting posters.

    I'd love to see some of the Discord mods added here actually. They use the banhammer well there, relatively.
     
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  11. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    I think i only played with a single non spanish guy... You played nomads?
     
  12. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    So, there’s background excuses, but what’s the in-game excuse? Obviously Ariadna needs some things to be more competitive.
     
  13. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    I don't want ariadna with more tech, if that ever happens then there is no point playing this faction.
     
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  14. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    25 years.
     
  15. StephanDahl

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    Ariadna has no +1 order LT, and very little TacAware.

    It would be cool to see a skill like commlink(+2), granting a higher trooper cap instead.
     
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  16. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Please no. The last thing we need to do is go unfixing one of the biggest problems from before N4.
     
  17. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    What Ariadna needs is not in line with the actual Infinity. More body count. Specific rules for specific faction. Differentiation instead of homogenization


    It wasnt a problem for Ariadna, it was for the rest. Thas was Ariadna identity since the begining and now is proved that they didnt know how to deal with it succesfully.

    If Ariadna is capped to 15 units, hypertechnological factions should be capped to 10 or even less
     
  18. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    I think the issues that are Ariadna and Shasvastii are facing in N5 are related: the core aspect of their power comes from Camoflage. While Camoflage is one of the most powerful rules in Infinity, I feel that over the editions players have gotten better at countering it.
     
  19. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    cry more, scrub.

    But really, I appreciate you painting me as all that's wrong with this place. I took several lengthy vacations, of my own accord, because I couldn't stand the incessant tone-policing from people like yourself.

    Understand this:
    As much as you dislike my posting style? I don't care. This place is somewhere I'm going to cut loose, friendly or not.

    PS: you used "negging" wrong. And it's concerning that you think that CB is a person to be protected from negative feedback in any regards.
     
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  20. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    conveniently ignoring that Merovingia had ties to the Nomad Nation and Haqqislam, I see.

    It was a huge plot-point for the Merovingian faction and a key part of why the Ariadnan Expeditionary Corps was created for Paradiso. Stavka controlled the import via the primary spaceport, but Merovingia had ties to the Nomads and Haqqislam through smugglers...and they started making overtures towards O-12 via the creation of the AEC.
     
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