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The 400 LI Challenge

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by MerloyJenkils, May 16, 2019.

  1. MerloyJenkils

    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys, so going to a tourney...LI 400pts... :D

    How would you tackle this? Missions are Frontline, Acquisition and Supplies.

    I have already made a couple of lists with generic Aleph, but wanted to hear from your experience. :)
     
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  2. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    I would say "with pleasure", since with Aleph you can definitely fill a nice and fun 400 pts LI list :)
    Never played in 400 pts personnally, but if you are willing to play OSS instead of vanilla it may be a chance to surprise the opponent with some unthinkable things like marut duo, asura haris ...
    Whatever you take, pick a sophotech. With both a low order count and a high real or pseudo wounds count, you want the sustain and mobility she can offer.
     
  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    At 400pts and Frontline in the mix, you are expeted to face heavy metal, so k-1 Teucer is a thing. A combi Myrmidon Chain of Command is another, and you might want to invest into another expensive normal smoke toter, depending on the other rooster.

    Naga with Monofilament mines is another interesting thing, as is the Marut, a Sophotect, and a bunch of Posthumans (mk2 hacker, mk4 HRL if you need some reactive power, and mk5 with E/M grenades, because you already have the sophotect).

    Another interesting bet is to deploy Diomedes as an A/D troop with either weapon profile, the Mk12 can do more damage, but the Multi might be more interesting despite not really getting much use from the pistol.

    Also, Arjunas.

    Overall, the main limiting factor in those huge games is the SWC for Aleph.
     
  4. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    Smoke changes nothing as both Feuerbach and K1 should have it, and it doesn't affect armour rolls (which are the main impact of K1).

    As for K1 Combi (or Marksman), that's just better than regular combi, but it doesn't make it good.
     
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  7. Nenyx

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    True. A good approach may be "thing about where you want to spend SWC: Marut, Achilles, Teucer ..." and take support/non swc choices to back them up.

    I didnt thought about that in my first post, but the monomine naga may be quite a thing, given you can expect to see many multi wounds troops. If you can set up both a monomine and a shoot from a strong and dangerous shooter, the opponent will have to choice between tanking the mine (60% chances of dying) and tanking the big shooter (xx% of dying, probably chances too)
     
  8. MerloyJenkils

    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    I was trying a list were I both have a Marut and Achilles each with a smoke thrower, so I can focus on one or the other, also Danavas for white noise, some rems for repeater. In another list I don't have Teucer but . Rudras K1 and both Mk2 MSR and MK4 HRL for ARO. with some Nagas and or DArt in the middle.

    I will look into the monomine one... but yes the thing is the SWC.

    Going to also look into the Arjuna...
     
  9. Nenyx

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    The sweetest about the monomine is, it does not cost you SWC :) and you have a totally classic combi naga with it, able to go into suppressive fire as well.
     
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    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    This is one of the lists:

    LI 400 B──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 MARUT Teniente (Strategos N3) Ametralladora MULTI, Lanzallamas Pesado, Nanopulser / Arma CC AP. (3 | 120) [​IMG] KARKATA Pulso Flash / Cuchillo. (0 | 0) OFICIAL MIRMIDÓN (Cadena de Mando) Fusil Combi, Nanopulser, Granadas de Humo / Pistola, Arma CC AP. (1 | 36) RUDRA Fusil de Precisión K1, Dispersador de Minas / Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 42) DANAVAS Hacker (Disp. de Hacker Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Fusil Combi + Pitcher / Pistola Breaker, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 25) PROXY Mk.1 Ingeniero Fusil Combi, Nanopulser, Cargas-D / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 10) PROXY Mk.2 F. de Francotirador MULTI, Nanopulser / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1.5 | 24) PROXY Mk.5 (Observ. de Artillería) 2 Subfusiles, Nanopulser, Granadas E/M / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 10) DART Subfusil, Arco Táctico Viral, Granadas E/M / Pistola, Arma CC Shock, Cuchillo. (0 | 34) NAGA Fusil Combi, Minas Monofilo / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 30) NAGA Hacker (Disp. de Hacker Asesino) Fusil Combi, Minas Antipersona / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 30) YUDBOT Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 3) Rebot ZAYIN Ametralladora / Pulso Eléctrico. (1 | 26) LIBERTO (Minador) Escopeta Ligera, Chain-Colt, Minas Antipersona / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1 | 10) 8 CAP | 400 PuntosAbrir en Infinity Army
     
  11. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    It impacts the % of the return fire and Teucer's chances of not being removed 5% or so of the time XD.
    As for the k-1 combi, yeah, specially linked. Rember I play all sides (so Unidron Tinbot with k-1, or Morat vanguards with a k-1 in the link in the once a century time that Core is selected).

    For Achilles, I would use an Eclipse smoke thrower. Eudoros seems a good option, frankly, because of his extremely impetuous order, ODD, MA4... while for the Marut I would prefer to have both the Myrmidon Officer with regular smoke (& combi) and a basic, 16pts Myrmidon. In my experience both playing with and against Aleph, when a Marut is on the table the way to "chip her armor" starts with removing the smoke throwers, which also makes it less suicidal for the melee guys to reach her (since a 16pts chain rifle Myrmidon ALSO has CC>20 and AM3).
    The problem is that you are already using 5 slots, plus the Sophotec and the Posthumans, leaving you 3 slots... and at least one will be a Naga with monofilament mines...

    The problem I see there, directly, is the lack of a Doctor, since the Danavas is one bad roll away from dead (also, I've never found the mk2 Sniper a better ARO piece than the HRL Mk4), and the Total Reaction is so rutinarily deal with that I tend not to use him anymore :S
     
  12. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    I was specifically comparing Feuerebach and K1 Sniper effectiveness. Smoke affects both the same, thus it is irrelevant to this discussion.
    Look. K1 Combi is a very nice weapon on Unidrons, and it can sure do some work. But it is very limited and not something I will go "oh, I have to have this in my list".
     
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  13. MerloyJenkils

    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    I had a version with the HRL instead of TR HMG but less midfield presence. In this version i managed to add the mono mines, have the liberto as minelayer and still have some nice specialists midfield. The doctor yes i miss it :( but usually everyone dies from shock ammo...:( i sacrificed the Aro provided by the HRL for midfield bumps.

    I was thinking on not using the zayin in such a direct way like putting it in top of a building but use him for specific approach lanes and use it with Marksmanship if necessary provided by Danavas. That was my reasoning at least.
     
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    That's how to use a zayin, especially in 400 pts where i suppose you can expect your opponent to have what it takes to overpower it in a direct shotting. You should keep it to cover your Marut and your backline (engineer, danava ...). Same thing for your Marut, it's perfectly fine if you don't use it much on turn 1 (you have other fighters) and wait for turn 2 or 3. It is a thing to deal with a TAG, it's another thing to deal with a TAG and try to grab some points in your last turn with few orders remaining.
     
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